Latin Exercises

[Pacifica]

"shouted" isn't an indirect statement.

"that he wanted to speak with the consul" is.

 

[Bitmap]

That – Relative Pronoun – “Qui”

"That" is not a relative pronoun, not even in English. An indirect statement is not a relative clause. In classical Latin, indirect statements are realised by an AcI that is dependent on a finite verbum dicendi. You've just done it the other way round: You turned the verb of the main clause that should actually be finite into an infinitive. clamare needs to agree with homo and the "(he) wants" needs to be non-finite.

 

[Matthaeus]

 

[R. Seltza]

Homo, currens per multitudinem, se/sese velle clamavit qui cum consule loqui.

Not sure about the word order when incorporating 3 different verbs in a sentence like that.

 

[Bitmap]

What's the syntactic function of the qui in your sentence?

 

[R. Seltza]

None, really. I forgot that indirect statements don't need connecting words like "that".

 

[R. Seltza]

I forgot to post this yesterday...

Homo, currens per multitudinem, se/sese velle clamavit qui cum consule loqui.

 

[Pacifica]

Good.

"A soldier replied that the consul was busy."

 

[R. Seltza]

What is the difference between se & sese anyways?

 

[Adrian]

sēsē is preferred where emphasis is intended (especially in reference to a preceding ipse, or at the beginning or the end of a clause) - for details see Bradley's Arnold Latin Prose Composition
and http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/morph?l=sese&la=la#lexicon
and point 650. - reflexive pronoun in this book https://www.gutenberg.org/files/44653/44653-h/44653-h.htm#sec644

 

[R. Seltza]

Are there any participles or verbs to convey the idea of being busy (especially if there is such a thing as a "past-tense participle)?

The closest thing that I could find was occupatus, but that won't really suffice...

 

[Bitmap]

Yes, you can translate "He is busy" as "occupatus est" --- but you need to make it dependent on a verbum dicendi.

 

[R. Seltza]

Yes, you can translate "He is busy" as "occupatus est" --- but you need to make it dependent on a verbum dicendi.

Bitmap, could you elaborate on this?

 

[Bitmap]

What I meant was that in order to translate the sentence above, you first need to find a way of saying "The soldier replied/said/answered/responded/claimed" - the words I underlined are verba dicendi, verbs that express some idea of speaking.
These words usually trigger an accusative with infinitive when they introduce indirect speech, so "occupatus est" must be made inflected/changed and fit into an AcI construction.

 

[R. Seltza]

“A soldier replied that the consul was busy.

A – Indefinite Article – Becomes a Ghost
Soldier – Singular Nominative Noun – “Miles”
Replied - 3rd Person Active Indicative Singular (Perfect Tense) Verb – “Respondit”
That – Connecting Word – Indirect Statement Present – Gets Dropped
The – Definite Article – Becomes a Ghost
Consul – Singular Noun – Accusative Case (Subject of Indirect Statement) – “Consulem”
Was Busy – Verbal Adjective (Participle) – Must Agree With Consulem - AcI Construction – “Occupatum Est”

“Miles respondit consulem occupatum esse.”

 

[Pacifica]

“Occupatum Est”

That isn't correct.

“Miles respondit consulem occupatum esse.”

But this is correct.

 

[R. Seltza]

I forgot to change that in the parsing section...

 

[Pacifica]

"Marcus tells Publius that Claudia has gone to Rome."

 

[R. Seltza]

I'm not sure if I missed it, if it was never posted, or if I just have a bad memory on this, but in Ignis Umbra's post on indirect statements, I don't recall seeing what should be done with words like Publius in this situation (though I do have the rest of the parsing standing by).

 

[Bitmap]

Publius becomes the indirect object (dative object) of dicere.