"Delenda est Carthago"

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We mentioned in class this sentence, Canton's, roman senator, written on my book.
I understood that it means that Carthago should be destruct.
Which is "delenda"'s form?

 

[Mafalda]

Gerundivum.

 

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So does that mean this ?
Carthago is being destroyed.
???

 

[Bitmap]

No, it means "Carthage must be destroyed".

 

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So is the gerundivum used for that?

 

[Bitmap]

Not exclusively, but the gerundive in connection with a form of esse denotes a passive necessity (because more literally the phrase is 'Carthage is to be destroyed').

 

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Oh. Ok thank you!
"Homo delendus" means "A men destroying" and "a men must destroy"?

 

[Pacifica]

No, it means "a man to be destroyed", "a man who must be destroyed".

 

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So what is the difference between "Homo delendus" and "Homo est delendus" ?

 

[Pacifica]

Basically, homo delendus means "a man to be destroyed" and homo est delendus means "a man is to be destroyed".

It's possible, however, to leave out est and still have it implied, so in some contexts homo delendus could mean the same as homo est delendus.

 

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I'm sorry, but I am not an English speaker!
I'll see this.
Thank you !!

 

[Pacifica]

J'ai vu sur ton profil que tu parles français. Si tu veux que j'explique quelque chose en français au lieu de l'anglais, si c'est plus facile pour toi, il suffit de demander. Il y a des gens ici qui parlent espagnol aussi, mais pas moi.

 

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Oh! Génial! Ben merci beaucoup! En effet j'amerai bien que tu m'explique cela en français.

 

[Pacifica]

D'accord.

À la base, homo delendus veut dire "un homme devant être détruit", "un homme à détruire", "un homme qu'il faut détruire", et homo est delendus veut dire "un homme est devant être détruit", "un homme est à détruire", "un homme doit être détruit".

Cependant, il est possible en latin d'omettre est tout en le sous-entendant, donc, dans certains contextes, homo delendus peut vouloir dire la même chose que homo est delendus.

 

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Ah! Ok, j'ai compris! Merci beaucoup!
Multas gratias te ago!

 

[Pacifica]

*multas gratias tibi ago

De rien.

 

[<deactivated>]

Oui... Je sais, maisje fais toujours la faute, car en espagnol c'est comme ça...
Merci !

 

[Gregorius Textor]

Gerundivum.

Which, in English, is called the gerundive, or the future passive participle. I know, Lorenx Supremus prefers French, but since the conversation began in English, it is worth mentioning.

 

[Gregorius Textor]

We mentioned in class this sentence, Canton's, roman senator, written on my book.
I understood that it means that Carthago should be destruct.
Which is "delenda"'s form?

Canton ---> Cato the Elder (Cato Maior), Marcus Porcius Cato