1589 A.D. House Inscription
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I wonder, could it be doli or something instead of noti? I don't really get what that word is supposed to mean there.
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Oh nice, elegiac couplets!
noti (short o) probably means "winds".
noti (short o) probably means "winds".
Oh I think you are right! Then I guess it should probably be something like this:
Christ, protect the house, defend the children
so that fires, robberis, plundering and winds won't do any harm
It is duty of the Lord, may he who blessed the vine and the furrows
of the ground protect his work.
Not sure if the author intended the relative qui to go with Lord or to be standalone as I have translated but I think both should be correct, even if I find the latter may be more likely.
Christ, protect the house, defend the children
so that fires, robberis, plundering and winds won't do any harm
It is duty of the Lord, may he who blessed the vine and the furrows
of the ground protect his work.
Not sure if the author intended the relative qui to go with Lord or to be standalone as I have translated but I think both should be correct, even if I find the latter may be more likely.
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There's a translation available at https://issuu.com/panacher/docs/staelinmeyer. Yes, it fudges in the interest of a smooth version, which is probably wise.
So you are taking parentis as genitive rather than acc pl?
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I also took it as a genitive ... I assume if you take it as an accusative plural you consider it to be some kind of asyndeton?
That was how I took it. I am sure you are right, but why only the children of a single parent? Parentum would also scan.
I just thought it was a pleonasm but you may be right, it happens in the following line too.
I had found it before making an attempt but it looked weird. 
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Well, an asyndeton is a bit unusual with only 2 components, though not completely unheard of.
In the genitive reading I'd either take parentis as "of the father" as the head of the family or I'd even take it as the one who built the house and natos as his descendants (over many generations).
Parentîs could also be a participle meaning "obeying, obedient."
Pareo :: 2. Transf. a. To obey, be obedient to; to submit to, comply with (the class. signif. of the word; syn.: oboedio, obsequor, obtempero): parere, obedire
Pareo :: 2. Transf. a. To obey, be obedient to; to submit to, comply with (the class. signif. of the word; syn.: oboedio, obsequor, obtempero): parere, obedire
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I can't come from that word because the a in pareo is long.
Is there a chance parentis = parentibus? "Defend the children for their parents."
Cf. queis = quibus
Also : "In the authors of the 10th and 11th cent. the change of the ablative plural -ibus to -is and vice-versa is common." Page 203, note 488: Moriuht: A Norman Latin Poem from the Early Eleventh Century by Garnerius (Rothomagensis.), Warner (of Rouen), Garnier de Rouen, Warner of Rouen, Pontifical Institute of Mediaeval Studies, 1995.
If it can happen for the ablative in an earlier era it may be able to happen for the dative at a later time, especially for scanning purposes in poetry.
Cf. queis = quibus
Also : "In the authors of the 10th and 11th cent. the change of the ablative plural -ibus to -is and vice-versa is common." Page 203, note 488: Moriuht: A Norman Latin Poem from the Early Eleventh Century by Garnerius (Rothomagensis.), Warner (of Rouen), Garnier de Rouen, Warner of Rouen, Pontifical Institute of Mediaeval Studies, 1995.
If it can happen for the ablative in an earlier era it may be able to happen for the dative at a later time, especially for scanning purposes in poetry.
I wish they hadn't, but that's a bit off topic.