Accademia Vivarium Novum

By Claudilla, in 'General Latin Chat (English)', Nov 22, 2015.

  1. Claudilla Active Member

    Location:
    Chapel Hill, NC
    I started this thread so we can chat about the Accademia, it's projects, method of learning and not derail other threads.
    I must say their magazine looks interesting
    https://vivariumnovum.it/catalogo/mantinea-2015
    but 50 Euros that's expensive, maybe I can persuade my library to buy it:)
  2. Quintilianus Member

    Location:
    France
    I'd be interested to know more about their Campus of Humanism if someone knows exactly what's going on there.
    About their magazine, that's 50€ sure but only a biannual. Maybe when I'm more skilled in Latin, I'll buy it.
  3. Aurifex Aedilis

    • Aedilis
    Location:
    England
    But apparently not shy of courting controversy:

    "It is clear to everyone that traditional methods of learning Latin lead to poor results, and these only after much time and effort."

    "...those who can speak and write the ancient languages will have a much more exact, much more stylistically adept sense of their mother tongue."

    "those were never lacking who, out of laziness or malice, or a vulnerability to the allure of false arguments, were moved to oppose its otherwise uninterrupted usage. These days, when the nobility of speaking and writing an ancient language can easily be conflated with the absurdities of those who make a gimmick of their Latinity, the practice is often derided out of hand."

    On a more general note, Vivarium Novum would benefit from toning down its sometimes rather too insistent socio-political message and simply concentrating on teaching Latin.
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  4. Callaina Feles Curiosissima

    • Civis Illustris
    Location:
    Canada
    It doesn't help that they refuse instruction to 50% of their potential student population on the basis of being the "wrong" gender.
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  5. Pacifica grammaticissima

    • Civis Illustris
    Location:
    Belgium
    What? Why? How do they justify that?
  6. Callaina Feles Curiosissima

    • Civis Illustris
    Location:
    Canada
    "Since the Academy is now housed in a building which belongs to a religious order, male students alone are accepted."

    You're also not allowed to play any music except "classical music" (how exactly they define that I'm not sure) and to dress in any "unconventional" manner.
    Essentially it's a monastery for (male) Latinists of 16-25. ;)

    https://vivariumnovum.net/en/admission
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  7. Pacifica grammaticissima

    • Civis Illustris
    Location:
    Belgium
    Di boni!
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  8. Callaina Feles Curiosissima

    • Civis Illustris
    Location:
    Canada
    LOL, exactly my reaction when I found that out. I didn't know whether to be more disappointed that I could never be accepted as a student there (because it would be sort of cool to be immersed in Latin like that) or angry that they don't consider me, as a woman, to be worth teaching. More the latter, though, I think. :mad:
  9. Quintilianus Member

    Location:
    France
    It's gonna change with Villa Mondragone I hope.
    It's not the intention of Miraglia to exclude women, he just did with what he could, and at the time that was a religious order's place I assume.
    Some of the requirements are indeed kind of funny. No beard, no tattoo, no shaven head nor too long hair,... Don't touch animals,...
  10. Callaina Feles Curiosissima

    • Civis Illustris
    Location:
    Canada
    Oh, they're moving to a new location? That's good, I guess...let's hope that things do change.

    Don't touch animals?!? How bizarre. o_O
  11. Quintilianus Member

    Location:
    France
    It's in the sanitary rules. It's only in italian and latin on the website.
    https://vivariumnovum.net/la/admissio/normae-hygienicae
    CANES, FELES ET ALIAE BESTIAE QUAM MINIMUM SUNT TANGENDI; SI QUIS TETIGERIT, BENE LAVET MANUS.
    Last edited by Quintilianus, Nov 23, 2015
  12. Callaina Feles Curiosissima

    • Civis Illustris
    Location:
    Canada
    Well, I can see requesting people to wash their hands after touching animals, that's just common sense, but to avoid touching them? How bizarre.

    LOL, now I'm picturing a sign like this up in Ancient Rome (outside the entrance to the baths or something) :D
  13. Quintilianus Member

    Location:
    France
    As for Villa Mondragone, it's going to be an International Campus of Humanism apparently, with its magazine, Mantinea.
    Its Miraglia's intention, and others around him, to revive humanism.
    I'll quote myself :
    After this post, Claudilla created this thread.
  14. Callaina Feles Curiosissima

    • Civis Illustris
    Location:
    Canada
    Okay, some of these are downright bizarre:

    INSECTA ARCENDA SUNT ET AMOVENDA, NON OCCIDENDA.

    So I can't swat a mosquito if it's trying to bite me? o_O
  15. Quintilianus Member

    Location:
    France
    There are some others really bizarre. I guess the have had a bunch of students not particularly keen on hygiene.
  16. Callaina Feles Curiosissima

    • Civis Illustris
    Location:
    Canada
    LOL, like the one about not eating food if it falls on the floor. I should *think* that would go without saying... :eek:
  17. Hawkwood .

    • Civis
    This isn't really adding anything to the debate as such but I don't find the above really that bizarre to be fair as I wouldn't swat a fly, a mosquito or any living thing myself.

    That said I've not been in a position where one of them is trying to bite me but even so I know I'd just run away (like I do with bees and wasps) as opposed to swatting them.
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  18. Callaina Feles Curiosissima

    • Civis Illustris
    Location:
    Canada
    You haven't been in Canada then ;)

    Now, mind you, I don't just kill insects indiscriminately as some do. I try to rescue them and take them outside when I can and they're not dangerous (though I drew the line at the black widows I found once behind my couch :eek: ). But if it's trying to bite me, well, I consider that crossing the line.
  19. Pacifica grammaticissima

    • Civis Illustris
    Location:
    Belgium
    You've just said approximately what I was about to say myself. I never kill insects either (not on purpose at any rate).
  20. Hawkwood .

    • Civis
    I know you're not one of those people, I just meant I didn't find that one that bizarre, mind you I don't live in a place where it's a problem.

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