Aeneid - Book VIII

By AoM, in 'Aeneid', Sep 1, 2018.

  1. AoM nulli numeri

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    Not gonna do any notes. Using the usual commentaries, and Gransden (and eventually the Brill commentary).

    I imagine the rest of the book follows Williams's preface, but it was still a funny "Wait a second..." :p

    "The eighth book is a peaceful and serene interlude[...]"

    The book's first sentence:

    Ut belli signum Laurenti Turnus ab arce
    extulit et rauco strepuerunt cornua cantu,
    utque acris concussit equos utque impulit arma,
    extemplo turbati animi, simul omne tumultu
    coniurat trepido Latium saevitque iuventus
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    ______________audax quos rumpere Pallas
    sacra vetat (110-1)

    An interesting (and funny) note from Servius:

    denique cum ludi circenses Apollini celebrarentur et Hannibal nuntiatus esset circa portam Collinam urbi ingruere, omnes raptis armis concurrerunt. reversi postea cum piaculum formidarent, invenerunt saltantem in circo senem quendam. qui cum interrogatus dixisset se non interrupisse saltationem, dictum est hoc proverbium 'salva res est, saltat senex'.
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    I guess I ask this in an attempt to better understand the imperfect vs. perfect (the nuances of which will forever elude me).

    tum mihi prima genas vestibat flore iuventas,
    mirabarque duces Teucros, mirabar et ipsum
    Laomedontiaden; sed cunctis altior ibat
    Anchises. mihi mens iuvenali ardebat amore
    compellare virum et dextrae coniungere dextram;
    accessi et cupidus Phenei sub moenia duxi.
    ille mihi insignem pharetram Lyciasque sagittas
    discedens chlamydemque auro dedit intertextam,
    frenaque bina meus quae nunc habet aurea Pallas. (160-8)

    Evander talking about meeting Priam, but more importantly, Anchises. He starts out using the imperfect then closes with the perfect. I assume the difference lies in the fact that the former all deal with repeated instances of something (a constant state of dress, marvel, movement, heat). Whereas the latter stress that they were finished and done with. But, as usual, I can never be sure.
  4. Pacifica grammaticissima

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    Yes, the imperfects describe the state of affairs/things that were happening at that time, while the perfects denote one-shot actions that were done at some point when the imperfects were happening.

    Have you ever read this thread?
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    • Civis Illustris
    Yup, a couple times. Remember all the trouble I had when I was translating Poe? lol

    I think I'm probably fine most of the time, but those few instances where I'm confused really confuse me.


    (Thinking back to Williams's opening line again):

    ________________semperque recenti
    caede tepebat humus, foribusque adfixa superbis
    ora virum tristi pendebant pallida tabo. (195-7)
  6. Pacifica grammaticissima

    • Civis Illustris
    That's the sort of nicely gruesome poetry I like.
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    Just got Gransden's commentary. You know you've been spoiled by the Horsfall/Brill commentaries when you're disappointed to see 110 pages. I think the Brill 8 commentary is around 650 pages.
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    Are anguis and angere related?
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    For reference, this bit made me wonder about that.

    hic Cacum in tenebris incendia vana vomentem
    corripit in nodum complexus, et angit inhaerens
    elisos oculos et siccum sanguine guttur. (259-61)

    It and angustus are clearly related.

    Is an anguis a snake that constricts?
  10. Pacifica grammaticissima

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    I don't know. It very much looks as if it could be related but neither the OLD nor L&S says it is.
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    A little later:

    _________________ut prima novercae
    monstra manu geminosque premens eliserit anguis (288-9)

    angit - elisos
    eliserit - anguis
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    absiste precando / viribus indubitare tuis (403-4)

    Neologism that only Statius used once afterwards.
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    I've been pretty disappointed with the commentaries of Williams and Gransden.

    Skipping 2-3 (or 4!) lines here and there, yet they're fine including multiple Paradise Lost quotes. Like, I realize these commentaries were written with British students in mind, but come on.

    Also, I'm used to Williams's sparse notes, but at one point, he legitimately has 2 pages of commentary for 50 lines of text.

    I'm genuinely not sure what to say to that.
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    And right on cue:

    "Milton refers to Aeneas as 'Cytherea's son': P.L. 9.19."

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    Iuppiter, Arcadii, quaeso, miserescite regis (573)

    This is actually a note from Gransden:

    573 Arcadii: with regis.


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    illum indignanti similem similemque minanti (649)

    Great line. I'm really liking the shield ecphrasis.
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    The book's pretty great overall, with some real standout passages.

    Now on to the Brill commentary, which looks to be 657 pages.
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    I'm not sure whether I should be suspicious of the Brill commentary now, but for acris...equos (3) they say:

    "The adjective occurs only here in Virgil of horses..."

    But: at puer Ascanius mediis in vallibus acri / gaudet equo (4.156-7)


    Edit: And book 1 lol

    caput acris equi (444)
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  19. Dantius Homo Sapiens

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    in orbe lacteo
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    Hmm indeed lol.

    You think that'd be something you would check first.

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