"Family is my reason to rise and my only reason to fall"

By Davidgentle, in 'Latin Family and Friendship Phrases', May 28, 2019.

  1. Davidgentle New Member

    Hi I am thinking about maybe:
    "Saguis est surge causa mea
    Saguis est cada causa mea"

    or

    "Saguis mea causa surgo
    Solo sanguis mea causa cado"

    or

    "Sanguis surgere mea est
    solus caredere mea est"

    Thanks you very much for your comments
  2. Bitmap Civis Illustris

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    I don't know where you have those suggestions from, but they are all wrong.
    Sanguis means blood ... I suppose it can mean "family" by the same metonymy it does in English, but I would just use familia here.

    Not sure if there's a nicer way of putting it, but at least this should work:

    familia mihi est causa surgendi et pariter sola cadendi causa.

    pariter means "at the same time" ... you can leave it out if you don't like it.
  3. Davidgentle New Member

    WOW that was super fast. Thank you very much for replaying. :)
    And If we use 2 sentences? that would look like this?

    familia mihi est causa surgendi
    familia sola cadendi causa

    "Family is my reason to rise. Family is my (only) reason to fall"
  4. Bitmap Civis Illustris

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    Location:
    Cygnea, Gena

    Yes, you can do it that way. Note, though, that the 2nd sentence is eliptic, the 'mihi est' is missing – which is fine, since you mentioned it in the first sentence. It would be like saying "Family is my reason to rise. Family my only reason to fall." You could make it even more eliptic by saying familia mihi causa surgendi; familia sola cadendi causa ... that would have a nice, concise ring to it.

    The full version would be
    familia mihi est causa surgendi.
    familia mihi est sola cadendi causa.

  5. Davidgentle New Member

    This is it!
    familia mihi causa surgendi;
    familia sola cadendi causa

    Thank you so much for your help.
    Your doing will follow me on my skin all my life and reminds me of my values!
    Gentle David
  6. Bitmap Civis Illustris

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    Maybe you should wait for somebody to confirm my suggestion or to provide an alternative idea before you get it inked :)
  7. Davidgentle New Member

    I have seen also referrence to "Proximi" or "Mei" (mine people)
    as more suggested word for familia on other threads.

    What do you think about it Bitmap? And how would it work in our sentence?
  8. What do you mean? Like "my people are my reason to rise"?
  9. Bitmap Civis Illustris

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    Location:
    Cygnea, Gena

    The problem with the word "family" is that the Romans had a different concept of family that we do. A Roman familia usually included many generations of family members as well as all the other people who belonged to the house, i.e. slaves and servants. So if you showed that phrase to a Roman living 2000 years ago, he might have a different understanding of what "family" is than we do nowadays (where the meaning is narrowed down much more).

    proximi or mei can be translated as "the people around me"... so in the right context, they can maybe describe our idea of "family" better ... but without context, they can also be understood as 'close friends' for example ...
  10. Davidgentle New Member

    Thank you, we are learning everyday :)

    so just to double check:

    familia mihi causa surgendi;
    familia sola cadendi causa

    Is it ok? If I mean


    Family my reason to rise;
    Family my only reason to fall
  11. Bitmap Civis Illustris

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    Location:
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    In my opinion, yes... but just keep in mind the varying points on the choice of words that I mentioned above.

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