From Latin > French: Pertinent Information?

By Koprophagos, in 'Other Languages', Nov 30, 2015.

  1. Imperfacundus Reprobatissimus

    • Civis Illustris
    We covered the topic before, but they are indeed in Parisian French.
  2. Pacifica grammaticissima

    • Civis Illustris
    Location:
    Belgium
  3. Pacifica grammaticissima

    • Civis Illustris
    Location:
    Belgium
    And I don't think I've ever heard any others, really.
  4. Imperfacundus Reprobatissimus

    • Civis Illustris
    I mean "popular Parisian (/northern metropolitan French) pronunciation". Wiktionary prefers giving a more conservative one, and only sometimes lists the popular pronunciation where it differs.

    For example est, which a lot of people pronounce as é.
    Or quelqu'un, although they do cover the alternative one for un.
  5. Pacifica grammaticissima

    • Civis Illustris
    Location:
    Belgium
    LOL the Quebecois pronunciation is really weird.
  6. Imperfacundus Reprobatissimus

    • Civis Illustris
    Yeah... I've still never managed to hold a conversation with a Québécois and this is a good example of why.
  7. Pacifica grammaticissima

    • Civis Illustris
    Location:
    Belgium
    You know (this has been mentioned before) Quebecois movies etc. are subtitled here, because their pronunciation is so different from ours that it's sometimes pretty hard for us to understand. Now it depends; I've heard some Quebecois on TV that I had no trouble understanding, but some others sounded pretty much like they were speaking a foreign tongue.
  8. Iohannes Aurum Technicus Auxiliarius

    • Technicus Auxiliarius
    Pacifica

    How about son son (his/its sound)?
  9. Pacifica grammaticissima

    • Civis Illustris
    Location:
    Belgium
    Twice the same sound.

    There's worse:

    Ton tonton.

    And even worse:

    Ton tonton tond.

    And even much worse:

    Ton tonton tond ton thon.

    (Yes, Etaoin, I know, you're sobbing in a corner because French is such a horrible language etc. etc.)
    Matthaeus and Iohannes Aurum like this.
  10. Ser Nūmen lūnāre

    • Civis Illustris
    What are some other examples of such spectacular phonological reduction in French? Off the top of my head I can think of īnsula > île [il] and aetātem (with the suffix -āticum: *aetāt(āt)icum) > âge [aʒ] (ëé, without the suffix, is attested in Old French).

    The participles crēditum > *crēdūtum > cru [kʁy], dēbitum > *dēbūtum > [dy], vīsum > *vidūtum > vu [vy], lectum > *legūtum > lu [ly], *bibūtum > bu [by], *sapūtum > su [sy], *potūtum > pu [py], and habitum > *habūtum > eu [y] are fairly interesting too.
  11. Imperfacundus Reprobatissimus

    • Civis Illustris
    One of my favourite examples is souhaitaient /swɛ.tɛ/
  12. Etaoin Shrdlu Civis Illustris

    • Civis Illustris
    For sheer effrontery it's hard to beat août. It goes well with eau and eu.
  13. Ser Nūmen lūnāre

    • Civis Illustris
    ecce hīc iacet > ci-gît [si.ʒi]
  14. Imperfacundus Reprobatissimus

    • Civis Illustris
    Duodecim - > /duz/
    Ser likes this.
  15. Pacifica grammaticissima

    • Civis Illustris
    Location:
    Belgium
    Well, tons of words have been reduced, but what is the minimum degree of reduction to interest you? Can you express that in, say, a number of lost syllables? Are you interested only in words that are monosyllabic in French?
  16. Ser Nūmen lūnāre

    • Civis Illustris
    Whatever you find interesting; I'm not really strict about this. ;) Souhaitaient and ci-gît were good non-monosyllabic examples.
  17. Pacifica grammaticissima

    • Civis Illustris
    Location:
    Belgium
    Well, not sure how interesting these are, but:

    ministerium > métier (5 to 2 syllables, or 3 at most if you want to over-articulate "métier" poetically)
    oculum > œil (3 to 1 + rather weird sounds coming out of the blue)
    digitum > doigt (3 to 1)
    colaphum > coup (3 to 1)
    avunculum > oncle (4 to 1 or 2 in very articulate speech)
    viridem --> vert (3 to 1)
    ...
    Ser likes this.
  18. Pacifica grammaticissima

    • Civis Illustris
    Location:
    Belgium
    Oh, and, somehow, aller came out of ambulare.
  19. interprete Member

    benedictus / benoît ?
  20. Imperfacundus Reprobatissimus

    • Civis Illustris
    Viridiarium > verger.
    Pacifica likes this.

Share This Page

 

Our Latin forum is a community for discussion of all topics relating to Latin language, ancient and medieval world.

Latin Boards on this Forum:

English to Latin, Latin to English translation, general Latin language, Latin grammar, Latine loquere, ancient and medieval world links.