I need grammar practice!

By Lysandra, in 'General Latin Chat (English)', Oct 10, 2016.

  1. Lysandra Canis

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    1. dative because ‘infusa’ takes a dative
    2. temporal ‘dum’ clause
    3. 3rd person plural pluperfect active indicative, 1st pp is ‘consido’
    4. potential subjunctive
    5. ‘suorum’ referring to children, ‘casum’ is implied … ‘these men mourned their fate, those the fate of their children’
    6. relative clause of chracteristic
    7. polyptoton
  2. Dantius Homo Sapiens

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    Good. Pretty much all correct.
    For 2 I mean the clause introduced by ne. You're right about the dum clause though.
    I think "3rd person" in 3. is just a typo.
    For 5, I don't think it's necessarily referring to children, but just any family members/friends/relatives.
  3. Lysandra Canis

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    2. Is it just an independent clause with a hortatory subjunctive?
    3. Yes, it's a typo. I could have sworn I wrote 1st.
    4. I wondered if it was referring to more than just children, but it seems to make the most sense that if you're about to die, you would first think about the wellbeing of your dependents.
    Last edited by Lysandra, Jan 27, 2019
  4. Lysandra Canis

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    Now [there is] ash, up to this point still sparse. I breathe: the dense fog, which now follows us in torrents pouring onto the land, threatens [our] backs. ‘Let’s turn away’, I say, ‘while we see, let’s not get trampled on lying in the street by a crowd of people following in shadows.’ We barely sit down, and [it is] night — not the moonless and cloud-filled sort but the sort in inaccessible places where light has been extinguished. You may hear the wailing of women, the mewling of infants, the shouts of men; with their voices some were seeking [their] parents, others [their] children, others [their] spouses [and] were recognising [them] by [their] voices; these men were mourning their fate, those ones [the fate] of their [relatives]; there were [those] who with a fear of death were praying for death; many raised [their] hands to the gods, more decided now that there never [were] any gods and that that [was] the most extraordinary and never-ending night in the world.
  5. Lysandra Canis

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    I have my very last Latin exam (well, at least for my undergraduate degree) on June 10th. Would anyone willing to provide me with a few practice sentences? The exam passages will come from the Aeneid and one of Cicero's speeches. I promise this is really the last time I'll beg you guys for grammar practice. :D
  6. Hemo Rusticus One Slick Hombre

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    Here's a bit of V's A:

    O sate gente deum, Troianam ex hostibus urbem
    qui revehis nobis aeternaque Pergama servas,
    exspectate solo Laurenti arvisque Latinis,
    hic tibi certa domus, certi (ne absiste) penates.
    neu belli terrere minis; tumor omnis et irae 40
    concessere deum.
    iamque tibi, ne vana putes haec fingere somnum,
    litoreis ingens inventa sub ilicibus sus
    triginta capitum fetus enixa iacebit,
    alba solo recubans, albi circum ubera nati.

    1. Given the context, who is here addressed, and by whom?
    2. From what verb is 'sate'? What form is 'deum'?
    3. Parse 'exspectate'.
    4. Parse 'terrere'.
    5. What kind of 'dative' would you say this 'tibi' is?
    6. What kind of 'genitive' is 'capitum'? Parse 'enixa' (what does it modify?)
    7. What case is 'solo', and why?
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  7. Hemo Rusticus One Slick Hombre

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    Bonus:

    1. What the hell are penates, really?
    2. What book of the Aeneid is this?
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  8. Lysandra Canis

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    Thanks, Hemo!

    To start with:
    1. Aeneas ... by whom? honestly, I'm a bit unsure who the 'nobis' is
    2. sero, genitive plural
    3. 2nd person plural imperative
    4. 3rd person plural perfect active indicative
  9. Bitmap Civis Illustris

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    So he's addressing a single person in the plural imperative? :eek:
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  10. Lysandra Canis

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    Oh, it's a vocative perf. pass. participle.
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  11. Lysandra Canis

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    Obviously I didn't think through that one. :D
  12. Bitmap Civis Illustris

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    There's a problem with that one, too ... which verb did you think this came from? (and what would be its actual 3rd pers. pl. perf. act. ind.?)
  13. Lysandra Canis

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    terreo
    it would be 'terruerunt' or 'terruere'
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  14. Lysandra Canis

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    Is it a historical infinitive?
  15. Bitmap Civis Illustris

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    No. (I'm not sure they even exist in the Aeneid)
    You need to make a bit of sense of the entire passage. The whole thing is an address to a 2nd person.
    more exactly, it's an address of the river god Thybris to Aeneas
  16. Lysandra Canis

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    Thanks for the explanation. I never would have guessed that. I plan to read the Aeneid in full in English before I take the exam just so I can understand the context of the chosen passage better.

    In that case, it's 2nd person plural present passive indicative.
  17. Bitmap Civis Illustris

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    That would be terremini.

    Not sure what your obsession with the plural is here :) It's pretty normal to refer to yourself in the first person plural, but referring to singular other people in the plural didn't seem to be a thing in classical Latin.
  18. Lysandra Canis

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    I meant singular. :D
    Last edited by Lysandra, May 26, 2019
  19. Bitmap Civis Illustris

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    But the indicative seems a bit strange in connexion with ne (or neu here) :p
  20. Lysandra Canis

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    2nd pers. pass. imperative

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