1. Hello

    I'm want to learn good Latin pronunciation. Using the reconstructed classical pronunciation as a standard, does the guy in this link pronounce Latin well?

    https://forvo.com/user/giorgiospizzi/ (He has a mix of Italian and Latin pronunciations.)
  2. Cinefactus Censor

    • Censor
    Location:
    litore aureo
    The ones I listened to sound good to me, although Godmy is the real expert.
  3. Godmy A Monkey

    • Civis Illustris
    Location:
    Bohemia
    Why, thanks for tagging!

    I rarely say this but the few words I've heard persuaded me the guy is really good. The pronunciation is restored and he does both the vowel lengths and the accent placing correctly, the vowel quality is supreme too, the consonant doubling is good. One quirk he does is that if there is a long vowel a the end, he makes it kind of super-long... but that could be simply his "style", it's done consistently, I suppose it's just for the effect of the word resounding well in isolation.

    But a good choice, I think!

    If you want a review of your pronunciation skills, there is a how-to in a thread in this section of the forum (the stickied thread where we analyze pronunciations).
    Last edited by Godmy, Jan 6, 2019
  4. Bitmap Civis Illustris

    • Civis Illustris
    Location:
    Cygnea, Gena

    I think it sounds very good
    What he doesn't do is the nasalisation of vowels before -ns or -nf (as in consul or in conferre) or at the of a word (volutabrum)
    I've always wondered what that sounded like ... I suppose a native speaker of French might get closest to that?!
  5. Godmy A Monkey

    • Civis Illustris
    Location:
    Bohemia
    Myself, I'm not very concerned about nasalization, since, as far as I remember, all we know for sure is that at some point "n" before "f" and "s" simply disappeared by the language evolution... like completely (in the natural spoken dialects), no nasalization, nothing (just like we observe in Greek with some nouns or participles, e.g.: gigas, gigantos), the only leftover there was was a compensatory vowel lengthening (if I remember correctly). Then, maybe, supposedly in the classical age and maybe just in the literary dialect the "n" before "s" and "f" was perhaps restored again (probably with an antiquated orthography as a guide), now the question is: restored as a nasalization or maybe for a literary effect as a full consonant? Plus, had the before-gained long vowel been retained while this was done? Probably so...

    So, nasalization or altogether omission of "n" or "m" at some positions is for me a ... fact (when it comes to the evolution of Latin as speech)... but a slightly controversial issue when it comes to the "literary" dialect (Romans reciting, reading aloud, etc. etc.) - the dialect we use. So, I don't care so much whether people do it or not, I sometimes nasalize, sometimes I read it fully. I more focus whether people get the vowels correctly, at least the qualities, the quantities are important for me too, but if even the quality is wrong... then it's a lost case :-/

    Well, phonetically there aren't many ways to do a nasalization, it's just... one simple process :) But it may be stronger or weaker, yes... But any real nasalization you do, should work.
    Last edited by Godmy, Feb 1, 2019
  6. Dantius Homo Sapiens

    • Civis Illustris
    Location:
    in orbe lacteo
    Interestingly, the Appendix Probi tells us that Hercules was often misspelled Herculens in the 3rd/4th century. Not sure if that's relevant.
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