1. Lilygirl86 New Member

    Hey everyone!

    I'm trying to get a translation for "never surrender" (originally never give up, but the number of translations I've seen of it makes me nervous of getting the wrong one).

    I looked up this topic before and couldn't quite figure out which translation pertained to me. I'd like to get it as a tattoo to serve as a reminder for myself to never quit. I'm a cancer survivor and in the past i had attempted suicide.

    I want it as a personal reminder, and in Latin so as to not make it as obvious. It'll be in a spot concealed by clothing, but I want to make sure it's the right phrase.

    I read up on it here and got confused by the 1st and 2nd person perspective and plural/subjective etc. I'm not exactly what you might call an honor student
  2. Matthaeus Vemortuicida strenuus

    • Civis Illustris
    Check out the frequently asked translation requests sticky; there should be many explanations for this phrase there.
  3. Lilygirl86 New Member

    That's where I had initially seen posts about it, but I saw multiple translations of it. I wasn't able to follow when they began to discuss 2nd person, plural etc. couldn't figure out which would fit the meaning I have (the message is meant to me as a reminder)
  4. Bestiola Speculatrix

    • Praetor
    • Praeco
    Well in THIS THREAD there were two suggestions:

    numquam cedas


    numquam cesseris
  5. Lilygirl86 New Member

    They can't both be right can they?
  6. Matthaeus Vemortuicida strenuus

    • Civis Illustris
    The second one (prohibitive) is more emphatic, the first just a negated iussive.
  7. Nikolaos schmikolaos

    • Censor
    There are probably at least a dozen ways to say this. The first one, to clarify, basically means "you can't ever surrender".
  8. Lilygirl86 New Member

    I've seen numquam cede and numquam cedas. What's the difference between there between the 2?
  9. Nikolaos schmikolaos

    • Censor
    Numquam cede is actually an invalid construction, an easy mistake for students to make.

    By the way, I'm going to move this thread to the English to Latin section soon. Just giving you the heads-up so that you don't wonder where it went.
  10. Lilygirl86 New Member

    So the general consensus is numquam cedas? I saw you also mentioned cesseris in another similar post
  11. Matthaeus Vemortuicida strenuus

    • Civis Illustris
    Yes, that has already been answered. the one with cesseris is the stronger of the two.
    Isn't this explained in the other thread?
  12. Lilygirl86 New Member

    I think so, I'm just having a hard time keeping up with everyone. Ive been looking up the meanings to quite a few words being used casually. Never was able to find out what iussive meant.

    I'm very sorry for any frustration I've caused here. Numquam Cedas, never surrender, can be used as a message for myself (speaking in first person is it? Which is what I want).

    I just want to be 100% sure since it'll be on a tattoo
  13. Nikolaos schmikolaos

    • Censor
    Yes, that'd be fine.
  14. JBentley New Member

    Numquam cedas would make it a hortatory subjunctive would it not?

    This would make it more like a statement urging others to never surrender, rather than you yourself. I'm unsure of a translation to direct the statement towards yourself only however
  15. Cinefactus Censor

    • Censor
    litore aureo
    Having just completed an essay on this topic, the evidence is conclusive that there is no difference in force between the tenses. The concept was proposed by Elmer in about 1900, and subsequently proved incorrect.
  16. JBentley New Member

    Numquam succumbe would be my best guess
  17. Effertus Meri New Member

    Ad mundi fines
    Please read through the above posts :brickwall:
  18. JBentley New Member

    Cedas would give her more of a message to others than to herself
  19. Cinefactus Censor

    • Censor
    litore aureo
    No, it is a prohibition. The form was used extensively in all periods from pre classical to Ecclesiastical.

    Ne was used with the imperative extensively in early Latin, and consistently with poetry. I have not found any examples of numquam being used in this fashion.
  20. Lilygirl86 New Member

    I feel almost as confused as when I got here after reading this :/. Numquam Cedas is more like "I will" never surrender as opposed to "you will" never surrender, right?

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