1. Hadassah Branch Member

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    How do you pronounce the 'ng' in Classical Latin? For example with tango is it said like 'tango' or like the English way of 'tanggo'?
  2. Bitmap Civis Illustris

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    tango is pronounced with /-ŋɡ-/ as in the English word finger.

    n becomes /ŋ/ before g, k, g(w), k(w), e.g. angustus, nunc, anguis, inquit
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  3. Godmy A Monkey

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    very that!

    This is not as interesting question as "how 'gn' should be strictly pronounced".

    And the answer is a velar voiced nasal followed by an alveolar voiced nasal.
    Last edited by Godmy, Apr 13, 2019
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  4. Hemo Rusticus The Lizard King

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    Could you give the IPA symbols for that, friend Godmy?
  5. Godmy A Monkey

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    /-ŋn-/ I think
  6. Pacifica grammaticissima

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    That seems difficult...
  7. Pacifica grammaticissima

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    And here I am ngnnning, lol.
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  8. Pacifica grammaticissima

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    Should someone surprise me now, they would think I was having a stroke or something.
  9. Hemo Rusticus The Lizard King

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    Playful lass.
  10. Pacifica grammaticissima

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    I think I've sort of succeeded in doing it in magnus. It's less hard in a word than on its own.
  11. Hemo Rusticus The Lizard King

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    There's just got to be some Romance dialect that continues this awkwardness. Like some community of a dozen speakers in Sardinia somewhere.
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  12. Bitmap Civis Illustris

    • Civis Illustris
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    Really? The way Godmy suggested it is how I do it usually ... never seemed difficult to me :) But I'm not going to start a voice recording at half past 3 now :p
  13. Bitmap Civis Illustris

    • Civis Illustris
    Location:
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    Though it has to be said the way German barbarians usually pronounce it is with a voiceless plosive that cuts through your ears. maKnus. siKnum. :disapprove:
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  14. Pacifica grammaticissima

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    Well, as I said, I think I can do it, more or less at least.

    Hear me pronouncing many magnus's...

    Attached Files:

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  15. Bitmap Civis Illustris

    • Civis Illustris
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    That almost passes for some deeply intellectual poem ;)

    Anyway, your pronunciation sounds accurate.
  16. Pacifica grammaticissima

    • Civis Illustris
    Location:
    Belgium
    Or an incantation, perhaps?
  17. Bitmap Civis Illustris

    • Civis Illustris
    Location:
    Cygnea, Gena

    I certainly felt addressed! I just didn't want to be so blunt about it ...
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  18. Hemo Rusticus The Lizard King

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    Well, not quite, old boy. Would be magne. :D
  19. Godmy A Monkey

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    In the recording you can hear the words in this order:
    - magnus, magnus, agnus, agnus, *gnōscō, gnōscō, cognōscō, cognōscō, agnōscō, agnōscō, cognitus, cognitus, signum, signum, gnātus, gnātus


    *You can see/hear why it has morphed into "nōscō, nātus"


    In practice though, I'm *sometimes* not too strict and produce a voiced velar stop /-g-/ (which would probably be its etymology in some preclassic/prearchaic Latin; what happened was the regressive assimilation of articulation: the "g" sound copied the nasalization from the following consonant, otherwise staid the same).

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  20. Godmy A Monkey

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    (sorry for the boring performance, I didn't give it much this time... was more focused on the articulation.)

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