THUS SPAKE ZARATHUSTRA

By Issacus Divus, in 'English to Latin Translation', Mar 7, 2019.

  1. Callaina Feles Curiosissima

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    I would say Sic fatus est Zarathustra.

    Fatus has an archaic/ceremonial/prophetic sound which locutus and dixit do not.

    If Zarathustra's pronouncements were given in verse, Sic canit Zarathustra is also a possibility.
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  2. Godmy A Monkey

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    cecinit then :p
  3. Callaina Feles Curiosissima

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    Oops, very true. Sic cecinit Zarathustra.
  4. Godmy A Monkey

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    But I'd keep some Latin form of his name, the possibilities are reportedly these in Latin: Zōroastēr, Zōroastrēs or Zarātus. From the Greek (originally to Latin probably) Ζωροάστηρ or Ζωροάστρης.
  5. Dantius Homo Sapiens

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    L&S gives only Zoroastres.

    Incidentally, Zoroastrianism is the coolest name for a religion ever.
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  6. Godmy A Monkey

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    Can't agree more! :) Even with having a different mother tongue as a base to assess coolness :p
  7. No, gentile. Zarathustrianism.
  8. Hawkwood .

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    Are you referring to The Will to Power?



    It's been a while since I dipped into Nietzsche and I realize there's many modern papers that redefine his works especially in relation to third reich interpretations but I have to disagree. If anything works like Will to Power, Zarathustra and Beyond Good and Evil appear, to me, to reinforce some of the core tenets behind both fascism and germany's national socialism (to a lesser degree). I suppose it's credit to Nietzsche that his works still to this day are open to such a wide variety of interpretations.

    It's difficult to contest any interpretation that roughly follows Nietzsche's threads of thought due to his ambiguity. Whereas the likes of *Spengler, *Mosca, etc, are easier to define and isolate, I suppose.

    Edit: in relation to 19th-20th century fascism, not national socialism.


  9. So, you're saying that they, if anything, already supported those ideas?
  10. Hawkwood .

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    In my opinion he played into the fascist mindset as he did the marxist, nationalist, anarchist, nihilist, etc. Regarding national socialism, I believe there's an influence. He was widely read by germans that came just a generation before and I imagine he along with a fair few others from the german school of thinkers had trickled down with a few notable french and italian thinkers. Germany's post-30s stance on anti-egalitarianism, industry (considering it was NSDAP), revolutionary war tactics (blitzkrieg), its rapid economic growth under a crippling treaty are all perhaps examples of Nietzsche's ideas in practice from Thus Spoke Zarathustra, Will to Power and Beyond Good and Evil however diluted.

    To my mind Nietzsche's works as a backbone to an ideology can be applied across the spectrum. No doubt there's a fair few modern papers out there from academia that downplay his role in the coming 20th century turmoil but there's not a national socialist society out there now that could produce their own academic paper to counter this so.
  11. Hawkwood .

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    They're the only three books of Nietzsche that I've read so obviously this is just my take from the above. I think what has helped me see a stronger link is the fact I was already fairly familiar with the turn of the 20th century politics and the two wars.

    Maybe you're right, maybe Nietzsche's ideas became just another misinterpreted excuse and justification for german conquest that is being now contested and exposed in revision. I doubt it though.
  12. Hawkwood .

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    Although 'german conquest' isn't really the right word, that accolade belongs to the likes of britain at this time. I think the war in the east was inevitable, I think the war turning west, wasn't. I think germany's reliance on resources outside of their then control was also a factor along with many more but I'm digressing. I just wanted to clear up my use of 'conquest'.
  13. Hawkwood .

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    Last thing. I mean we could also argue that his ideas were used in caricature by anarchists, libertarians, atheists, etc, but then again that would also, to me, be futile; ethics, morality, idealism (german), religion, poetry, the ground he covers is wide.
  14. My Ahura Mazda. What interesting expression!
    I was only quoting Wikipedia fact,
    Nietzsche's sister, Elisabeth Förster-Nietzsche, edited her brother's work to fit her own anti-Semitic ideology.

    Nietzsche's sister, Elisabeth Försterlol
  15. Hawkwood .

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    Yes, The Will to Power was but fragments and notes released posthumously I think or at the point when he was far gone in mind.

    Regarding interpretation, I believe that ideas are not islands but reactions and thus are interpreted in a way that leaves the door wide open to subjectivity. Interestingly marxism claims to be a political philosophy that's empirical. Again I doubt.
  16. Again, we doubt.
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  17. Actually, this makes me think. I commented about Nietzsche somewhere else, and this ha been on my mind.
    How different is Zarathustra from Zarathustra?
    Like, you have two people called one name. One of them was Pre-Jesus, and the other was...a sort of Anti-Jesus? Point is; He found that God was dead.
    Definitely not the same Zarathustra that professed the ever-going war between the dualistic Good and Evil.
    But, at the same time, I've always though of them as the same. Look at this beautiful Prophet.

    (Picture was supposed to be here, not working with me. Website probs a Wagner supporter honestly)

    Same demigod to me. Maybe I'm subconsciously implying a transformation in His beliefs?
    I'm going on and on. I end with a quote.

    "Iraner, lol." - Nietzsche

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