What are you listening to? (music)

By Anonymous, in 'Non-Latin Talk', Dec 7, 2005.

  1. Etaoin Shrdlu Civis Illustris

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    It seems to me that nationalists, as you put it, can be unaccountably fearful to put forward their points of view, despite belonging to races that are genetically superior to others, at least if their beliefs are correct. And how can we establish whether they're correct or not except by discussing them openly? If it's true, for example, that Jews are a malignant subspecies attempting to subvert the white race, whether by encouraging miscegenation, immorality or other means, then it's right that the problem should be addressed, so I'd expect champions of this idea to have the same courage as Varg Vikernes in declaring their viewpoint, if not necessarily to carry out the same actions in order to further it. Our Hawkwood violent? Heaven forfend. But surely polite and frank discussion is to be encouraged.
  2. Hawkwood .

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    Because you have a leaning toward manipulation, generalization, strawmanship, outright fibbing, purposeful misinformation, spite and ad hominem.

    A generalization based on faulty assumption. A nationalist, be whatever ethnicity or nationality, believes an individual has the right to identify to a group on ethnical or national lines. This doesn't mean an individual doesn't have the right to not identify with a group. This isn't supremacy.

    Faulty assumption or fibbing? I know not. When you watch a World Cup you're openly taking part in a form of nationalism. Last I looked, the World Cup was aired on mainstream TV. There's been debates on here pertaining to nationalism as well as the fact it's all over the digital platforms.

    Generalization. That's anti-Semitism not nationalism. Do you not realize Zionism is a form of nationalism too? You really need to hit the books, Etaoin.

    With you? I'm an illiterate fascist, as you keep telling me.
  3. Pacifica grammaticissima

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    Could everyone on this forum forbear to mention anything having to do with politics ever, ever again?
  4. Terry S. flamen

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    Another forum I belong to bans all discussion of sport, politics and religion. Except for translation/language issues, it mightn't be too bad an idea for us to consider.
  5. Hawkwood .

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    That's a bit unfair if I'm honest. I had no intention of debating but Etaoin consistently makes remarks about me. I try to ignore it as is plainly seen throughout but occasionally I feel the need to stand up to it. It's not me, or anyone else for that matter feeling the urge to politicize, bar Etaoin.

    Edit: response to Pax.
  6. Hemo Rusticus Active Member

    My old roommate was into this stuff, too. Bit of an oddball.

    It may interest you (and as likely as not, it won't, unless you're into the LotR) to know that these boys took their name from Tolkien's famous ring-rune, written in the Black Speech devised by the wizard Sauron (olim Thū):

    ash nazg durbatulūk, ash nazg gimbatul
    ash nazg thrakatulūk, agh burzum-ishi krimpatul

    One Ring to rule them all, etc.... in the darkness bind them.

    It's evidently pretty fashionable among pagan metalheads, as I've also heard of the band Amon Amarth (that is 'Mount Doom') and Ungoliant (that is an ancient spider-queen in Tolkien).
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  7. Hawkwood .

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    I've never had an interest in Lord of the Rings but I've started having an interest in anglo saxon and nordic paganism. You know there's a lot similarities between pagan practices of the Mediterranean and the northern strains. Luckily I have Tacitus' Loeb editions as a head start. Would like to read some Bede at some point, as well as a few others.
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  8. Etaoin Shrdlu Civis Illustris

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    I deliberately refrained from making any remark about you, apart from clearing you of the suspicion of being violent. If you believe that I've called you either an illiterate or a fascist, produce the post or posts where I have done so. However, while illiteracy is generally seen as a lack of something one should possess, and thus is a slur, surely fascism is a legitimate political movement; I may not support it, and you may not either, but others might, and should feel free to express their beliefs in civil fashion.
  9. Hawkwood .

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    You know very well that Beastiola deleted that remark from yourself. You've made it so this time that if I don't respond it looks like an admission of guilt on my behalf. I tell you what, just call it quits. I'm not arsed.
  10. Etaoin Shrdlu Civis Illustris

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    Appealing to deleted posts in which I allegedly used language I don't believe I did? Someone surely has a copy. Until I see it and the context, I'm calling bullshit on this.
  11. Hawkwood .

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    I didn't even say anything remotely untoward to you for that response from yourself.

    Can we call it a day, please? I've no desire to be drawn into discourse with you, the only reason I responded today was because you made it so that if I didn't it would have proved your point about me being not open about myself, as if I'm hiding something thus leaving me in a 'damned if I do or don't respond' conundrum.

    Thing is I have a feeling you want to debate me but you can't control your urge for snarkiness and sneakisms. I don't like discourse like that though and I even stuck up for you when someone called you a b##ch because I don't like shittness whichever side of the fence it's coming from. It's just not worth it. Let's just communicate in the non-political realms, Etaoin.
  12. Pacifica grammaticissima

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    Yes, yes, yes, please. :)
  13. Etaoin Shrdlu Civis Illustris

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    Hawkwood claimed that I had called him illiterate and a fascist, which I disputed.

    In defence of what he said he produced a post in which I said he came across as inarticulate, cowardly and dishonest.

    I'll just leave it there.
  14. Hemo Rusticus Active Member

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