when did latin die?

By Aquilina, in 'General Latin Chat (English)', Oct 6, 2013.


  1. I am inclined to disagree. Latin, I still say, gives us the key to our patrimony as the heirs of Western Civilisation. Greek does so as well. Understandably, the average student has neither the time nor the interest to do two languages, plus a foreign language, plus English.

    However, it is entirely possible, by lengthening the school day by an hour, to insist that students get, along with English and a foreign language of their choice, Latin. I choose Latin over Greek because there IS a need for it, contrary to my friend Gaia's position. And Latin, unlike Greek, is a bit easier to learn since the alphabet is the same. Also, the grammar helps one learn any Romance language with ease, and virtually any European language, including English, the only exceptions being possibly Basque, Finnish, and Magyar.

    What is the need for Latin? Simple: to build a more civilised, more cultured society. We are, at least in the USA, turning more and more into a nation of Couch Potato Blobs. All most Americans do is sit on their fat tuchuses watching football, putting on the pounds while eating Ho-Hos and Dingdongs and drinking beer. With Latin, we can be a nation of readers, studying everything from the Gallic Wars to Virgil. IN THE ORIGINAL LATIN! Who wouldn't want to do that!
  2. Pacifica grammaticissima

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    I'd say, if it's what they like to do, what's the problem with it? Well, their health, maybe. But my point is that not everyone is forced to like the same things as you.
    I'd say a greeeeaaat many people.
  3. But see, if you educated them early on in Latin, from their early, formative years, you could influence them to like something more that football, ho-hos, dingdongs, and beers.
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  4. Imperfacundus Reprobatissimus

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    Yeah... they can't even get Americans to learn Spanish :D
  5. Hawkwood .

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    This could be said for most educational subjects away from the cult of celebrity and sport but I am with you on this one in the sense of Latin having a benefit to the curriculum. I mean, I've learned quite a lot about English grammar in a general sense since undertaking Latin but I just can't see it breaking into the school system again. Claudilla stated that Latin is being taught to pupils in English secondary schools but I'm unaware of this development and was under the impression from Michael Gove's demotion, that Latin and classical studies are not even on the table for consideration let alone as a choice subject for pupils to pursue. I suppose some would say that if anything, it belongs in the realms of further education.
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  6. Imber Ranae Ranunculus Iracundus

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    Am I the only American who doesn't know what a ho-ho or dingdong is?
  7. Probably. Both are store-bought confections made by the same people who used to make (or possibly the company who currently makes) Twinkies. They are grotesquely unhealthy for you, like Twinkies, because, aside from the sugar, they are chock-full of preservatives and other processed crap that does horrific things to your internals.
  8. Imber Ranae Ranunculus Iracundus

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    I rather doubt that.

    Anyway, I have of course heard of Twinkies, but I find them completely unappetizing.
  9. Abbatiſſæ Scriptor Senex

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    I too aſſumed that they were rude expreſſions for unmentionable body parts.:confused:
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  10. Imber Ranae Ranunculus Iracundus

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    You're thinking of 'hoohoo' and 'dong'. They are rather unsettlingly similar sounding, though.
  11. Claudilla Active Member

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    I watched that Gangnam video; that's 3 minutes of my life I'll never get back lol..but it was amusing! I prefer clavichord music but then my parents shielded me from popular culture and took me to concerts and the opera.

    Here is a link to the UK Iris Project..an excellent enterprise: http://irisproject.org.uk/index.php/resources
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  12. I did not intend that to be insulting. But most people have indeed heard of them. And yes, Twinkies are unappetising, as are Ho-Hos and Ding-Dongs.

    Gangnam Style was pointless. And, as I said, entirely inappropriate from an Orthodox Jewish point of view. But amusing, yes, I think would be accurate.
  13. Pacifica grammaticissima

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    Just "Google-imaged" Twinkies, Ho-Hos and Ding-Dongs. I'm hungry now, especially after the last one.
  14. Claudilla Active Member

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    Actually I just read that Gangnam was a critique on soulless mass-consumption, something quite appropriate and which the Roman addressed as well, and this is a Latin forum not one catering to people's religious sensibilities...Lucian was very wicked and droll...

    Pacis puella stay away from that stuff! my parents would never let me thank goodness and I believe 1/3 of the population of the US is obese. I'd love for children to be instructed in good old Roman values of frugality, temperance etc..
  15. Claudilla, you are right on all counts. :)
  16. Bestiola Speculatrix

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    Just in times of early republic, though...
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  17. Abbatiſſæ Scriptor Senex

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    How admirable for a culture to be free from any aſſociation with gluttony and exceſs.:D
  18. Bestiola Speculatrix

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    Lol yes, the Romans of Late Republic and Empire were true embodiment of chastity, frugality and temperance by all accounts...especially the emperors.


    It doesn't help one bit with Slavic languages, sorry to disappoint you.
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  19. Hawkwood .

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    Completely off topic but my mate's daughter has been diagnosed with diabetes at the age of *10* and she has to have "4 injections everyday for the rest of her life". I couldn't believe this was the case, he also told me that the health visitor who comes out to see her said that the numbers being diagnosed with these type health issues are increasing every year. I was giving my little lad chocolate most days after his tea and sometimes after his dinner as well but I've now stopped this since learning about diabetes. He now has chocolate only a few times a week. It's been a nightmare to enforce as everyone gives him sweets but I just can't risk it, it seems junk food is causing mayhem with kids health here in the UK. Apologies for the digression.
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  20. Bestiola Speculatrix

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    Well you can offer him dark chocolate if he still craves it:

    http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-is-dark-chocolate-good-for-you-thank-your-microbes/
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