Epigrammatum Cerritorum Florilegium

[Laurentius]

Nice, is it a translation?

 

[Deleted member 13757]

Nice, is it a translation?

yeah

I like his work a lot.

 

[Lucius Aelius]

I think I have this right.

LVII

ad quem sine vestibus identidem vidi

Quī tibi testēs* sint tū mīrāris, socienne?
Trēs cognōvistī – et meos atque tuum.

*The (fictional) context here being my friend needing to go to court for something or other.

 

[Laurentius]

Nice but gotta change second hemistich of the pentameter.

 

[Lucius Aelius]

Why? What's wrong with it?

 

[Laurentius]

Why? What's wrong with it?

It is u--uux, but it should be -uu-uux.

 

[Lucius Aelius]

But it is, isn't it?

et-me-o-|sat-que-tu-|um.

 

[Laurentius]

No it becomes like this: trēs cōgnōvīst'ēt/mĕōs ātquĕ tŭŭs.

 

[Lucius Aelius]

No it becomes like this: trēs cōgnōvīst'ēt/mĕōs ātquĕ tŭŭs.

I was unaware that elision still applied across that break, and I've never seen anyone divide the syllables up like that. I've always heard that if there's a consonant handy the next syllable starts with it (e.g. ar-ma-vi-rum-que-ca-no-troi-ae-qui-pri-mu-sa-bo-ris).

 

[Laurentius]

But it's not across the break, it rather closes the first hemistich. And I didn't divide the syllables, I just indicated the vowel lenghts according to their position.

 

[Lucius Aelius]

But it's not across the break, it rather closes the first hemistich. And I didn't divide the syllables, I just indicated the vowel lenghts according to their position.

Yes, and I can't think for the life of me why the second syllable of "meos" would be long by position.

And why isn't there a break there? The structure of the line is " - U | - U | - || - u u | - u u | x" is it not?

 

[Laurentius]

No it's the second line in this pic. "Os" in meos is not long by position, it's naturally long, as you can see here.

 

[Lucius Aelius]

Ah, is it? Dang. As you can see if you actually click "meos" -- the link which you would get by searching for the word outright -- it doesn't show the second syllable as long there.

 

[Laurentius]

Where does it say it is short?

 

[Lucius Aelius]

Here:

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/meos#Latin

It fails to say it is long, which on Wiktionary usually indicates shortness. So this has been a job of my checking not being thorough enough, I think.

 

[Laurentius]

No you have to look at the declension table, I suppose.

 

[Lucius Aelius]

Yeah. Usually I can just directly search the word, as here:
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/habere

Ah well. Back to the old drawing board, I suppose!

 

[Imber Ranae]

Here:

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/meos#Latin

It fails to say it is long, which on Wiktionary usually indicates shortness. So this has been a job of my checking not being thorough enough, I think.

I wouldn't rely on Wiktionary. The accusative plural of second declension masculines always has long o.

 

[Kosmokrator]

Ad pantopolium egoque et Daria simul imus opsonatum et res plures quam quae
nobis sit opus emimus. Sed ex tot cibis viliores emptu eligimus, quia parum
habemus pecuniae. Itaque saepe lactucam, quae binis solidis in singulas libras
emitur, vel ova quae in singula duodena quinis solidis veneunt, emimus.
Interdum et carnem gallinaceam emimus ut quae dimidio fere minoris quam bovina
veneat. Si tamen gallinam unam haberemus, quae singulo quoque die singula ova
pareret, multo ditiores ac sumus essemus et ovis quotidie vesceremur inemptis.
Sin plures mihi gallinae essent, vicies tanto minus ova venderem quanti
gallinam emissem, et ilico longe inter omnes mercatores ditissimus factus
studio linguae latinae liberius vacarem.

 

[Laurentius]

LVIII

Duplicis aure pedes numerando discite versus:
Sex insunt primo, quinque secundus habet.