Negative Future Imperatives

[Interficio]

How do you form these?

 

[Imber Ranae]

ne + future imperative

From the Twelve Tables:

Hominem mortuum in urbe ne sepelito neve urito...

"Thou shalt neither bury nor burn a dead man within the city..."

 

[Interficio]

K. Now i have a question about future imperatives still:

This is what ive figured out so far but i dont know if its right:

2nd: Esto/Estote

3rd: Esto/Sunto

Am I right?

 

[Interficio]

how do you form negative passive imperatives in the present and future?

 

[QMF]

Negative passive present imperatives is simply noli+the present passive infinitive. The present passive infinitive (if you don't already know) is constructed by replacing the final e of the present active infinitive (or simply "the infinitive"; words like amare, habere, etc.) with an "i", except in the third conjugation, where the entire -ere is replaced with an "i."

Future...you've got me. They're so rare that I basically never bothered learning them, except esto, estote, and sunto.

 

[Interficio]

Hmm Ive tried everywhere but my two textbooks, my aeneid's gramamtical appendix, my verb drills book, and the internet dont have answers!

 

[cinefactus]

Thanks to the New College Latin & English Dictionary, I found:

nolito nolitote
nolito nolunto

for eo
ito itote
ito eunto

1st cong
amato amatote
amato amanto
pass
amator
amator amantor

2nd cong
moneto monetote
moneto monento
pass
monetor
monetor monentor

3rd
regito regitote
regito regunto
pass
regitor
regitor reguntor

4th
audito auditote
audtito audiunto
pass
auditor
auditor audiuntor

5th
capito capitote
capito capiunto
pass
capitor
capitor capiuntor

 

[Interficio]

Thanks to the New College Latin & English Dictionary, I found:

nolito nolitote
nolito nolunto

for eo
ito itote
ito eunto

1st cong
amato amatote
amato amanto
pass
amator
amator amantor

2nd cong
moneto monetote
moneto monento
pass
monetor
monetor monentor

3rd
regito regitote
regito regunto
pass
regitor
regitor reguntor

4th
audito auditote
audtito audiunto
pass
auditor
auditor audiuntor

5th
capito capitote
capito capiunto
pass
capitor
capitor capiuntor

so how do i form the negative future passive

 

[QMF]

You would use nolito (and its other forms) with the present passive infinitive. Nolito amari, etc. Now why in the world you would ever be saying something like that is beyond me, but I guess that's how it would be done in theory.

 

[Interficio]

Okay thanks

 

[Antonius Capito]

Can I use these two forms in the same sense?
nolito amari / ne amator???

 

[Dantius]

I suppose so. "ne amator" is somewhat more archaic I think. You would only find it in some legal document.

 

[horus92]

Thanks to the New College Latin & English Dictionary, I found:

nolito nolitote
nolito nolunto

for eo
ito itote
ito eunto

1st cong
amato amatote
amato amanto
pass
amator
amator amantor

2nd cong
moneto monetote
moneto monento
pass
monetor
monetor monentor

3rd
regito regitote
regito regunto
pass
regitor
regitor reguntor

4th
audito auditote
audtito audiunto
pass
auditor
auditor audiuntor

5th
capito capitote
capito capiunto
pass
capitor
capitor capiuntor

I've seen those forms in grammars but I've never actually seen them used. Does the grammar have any examples?

The only passive future imperative I've ever seen so far is in Cicero De Legibus:

"Promulgata proposita in aerario <condunto, neve in>cognita agunto, nec plus quam de singulis rebus semel consulunto; rem populum docento, doceri a magistratibus privatisque patiunto."

Of course one could just as well say that this imperative is formed from a by-form *patio that fell out of the main language and maybe that's more likely, the older authors often have active forms of verbs that are later deponent.

 

[horus92]

Here's an unambiguous future passive imperative also from the De Leg:

"Regio imperio duo sunto, iique <a> praeeundo iudicando consulendo praetores iudices consules appellamino"

As you can see it's not the form given in grammars! I owe the citation to this excellent and interesting post: http://latin.stackexchange.com/questions/62/are-there-examples-of-passive-imperative-forms-of-non-deponent-verbs-in-ancient

I can't find any mention of the future passive imperative in Priscian; I can't find the present passive imperative, either, though he must have been aware of it since it's not at all uncommon in deponents (or did he take the forms as being the same as indicative, since they are the same? Except with the variant -re for -ris oc):

"|imperatiuus uero praesens et futurum naturali quadam necessitate |uidetur posse accipere; ea etenim imperamus, quae statim in praesenti uolumus |fieri sine aliqua dilatione. nec solum enim illi, qui nondum coepit, |imperantes utimur praesenti tempore, sed etiam illi, qui coepit et in ipso actu |est, ut permaneat in eodem, ut, si quis ei, qui coepit uersum legere, |dicat lege usque ad finem. apud Graecos etiam praeteriti temporis sunt |imperatiua, quamuis ipsa quoque ad futuri temporis sensum pertineant, ut |ἠνεῴχθω ἡ πύλη, aperta sit porta; uidemur enim imperare, ut in futuro |tempore sit praeteritum, ut si dicam aperi nunc portam, ut crastino sit |aperta. ergo nos quoque possumus in passiuis uel in aliis passiuam|declinationem habentibus uti praeterito tempore imperatiui, coniungentes |participium praeteriti cum uerbo imperatiuo praesentis uel futuri temporis, ut |amatus sit uel esto πεφιλήσθω, doctus sit uel esto δεδιδάχθω, |0407| clausus sit uel esto κεκλείσθω."