Cicero in chronological order?

Iáson

Cívis Illústris
I have conceived of a mad plan to read the whole of Cicero in chronological order, but am having difficulties coming up with a list. There are individual lists under different categories on this Wikipedia page, but not for the letters, which are traditionally arranged thematically. Does anyone know of a list of the letters (or indeed the whole corpus) in chronological order?
 

Godmy

A Monkey
That's interesting. I guess you would have to get, I don't know, at some hypothetical very detailed biography of Cicero by some historian, where the historian would even try to date individual letters. You would need a Cicero expert, but not a latinist, but historian, a Cicero historian.
 

Dantius

Homo Sapiens
Staff member
I have conceived of a mad plan to read the whole of Cicero in chronological order, but am having difficulties coming up with a list. There are individual lists under different categories on this Wikipedia page, but not for the letters, which are traditionally arranged thematically. Does anyone know of a list of the letters (or indeed the whole corpus) in chronological order?
What an amazing coincidence. Just yesterday I wondered if such a thing existed. I had the same idea.
 

Dantius

Homo Sapiens
Staff member
I suppose if you wanted the tedious route you could just go through an edition of the letters that gives the rough dates, look only at the dates, make a list for yourself, and then go through and read the actual letters in that order.
 

Iáson

Cívis Illústris
Yeah, that might be the only option.

There's an edition of the letters in chronological order by Shuckburgh, but only the first volume is online and it doesn't have a contents page.
 

Iáson

Cívis Illústris
Yes, that was the edition I meant: regrettably it only has one volume freely available.

As it happens, my university library has an edition with the letters in chronological order, so I started copying from the index yesterday. It might take a while, though: in an hour I only got as far as 54BCE.
 

Ser

鳥王
Yes, that was the edition I meant: regrettably it only has one volume freely available.

As it happens, my university library has an edition with the letters in chronological order, so I started copying from the index yesterday. It might take a while, though: in an hour I only got as far as 54BCE.
If you could share the file or pictures of your handwritten notes of the chronological order, that could benefit us all.

What edition is that?
 

rothbard

Civis Illustris
Staff member
Yes, that was the edition I meant: regrettably it only has one volume freely available.
I can see the contents of all the volumes on the HathiTrust Digital Library site here. They can't be easily downloaded without an institutional login, however it's possible to read them online.
 

Iáson

Cívis Illústris
Sorry I took so long, I had to type it all out by hand. The single question marks (?) mean that I could find out the year but not the relative order of the work; the double question mark (??) that even the year is uncertain.

From Tyrrell and Purser (1901) The Correspondence of M. Tullius Cicero, Index volume (Dublin), and https://www.thelatinlibrary.com/101/CiceroChron.pdf

edit: I know this is really ugly, but I used tabs in the original document and they don't work on LatinD.

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Fam 16.19__________________45
Att 13.48__________________45
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Fam 7.24__________________45
Att 13.49__________________45
Att 13.50__________________45
Fam 7.25__________________45
Att 13.51__________________45
Fam 12.18__________________45
Fam 12.19__________________45
Fam 13.4__________________45
Fam 13.5__________________45
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Fam 13.8__________________45
Fam 5.11__________________45
Fam 7.29__________________45
Fam 5.10a__________________45
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Fam 9.12__________________45
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Fam 13.30__________________45
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Fam 13.35__________________45
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Fam 13.37__________________45
Fam 13.38__________________45
Fam 13.39__________________45
Fam 16.18__________________45
Fam 16.20__________________45
Hortensius__________________45 (?)__________________philosophical work
Lucullus or Academica Priora – Liber Secundus__________________45 (?)__________________philosophical work
Varro or Academica Posteriora (Posterior Academics)__________________45 (?)__________________philosophical work
Consolatio__________________45 (?)__________________philosophical work
De Finibus Bonorum et Malorum__________________45 (?)__________________philosophical work
Tusculanae Quaestiones__________________45 (?)__________________philosophical work
De Natura Deorum__________________45 (?)__________________philosophical work
De Divinatione__________________45 (?)__________________philosophical work
De Fato__________________45 (?)__________________philosophical work
Fam 7.30__________________44
Fam 13.50__________________44
Fam 5.10__________________44
Fam 7.31__________________44
Fam 12.21__________________44
Fam 6.15__________________44
Fam 11.1__________________44
Fam 6.16__________________44
Fam 15.20__________________44
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Fam 6.17__________________44
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Att 14.13a__________________44
Att 14.13b__________________44
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Att 14.17a= Fam 9.14__________________44
Fam 12.1__________________44
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Att 15.1a__________________44
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Att 15.4.1-4__________________44
Att 15.4b, 5__________________44
Fam 12.16__________________44
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Fam 11.2__________________44
Att 15.8__________________44
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Att 15.10__________________44
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Att 15.16a__________________44
Att 15.16b__________________44
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Fam 16.23__________________44
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Att 15.14__________________44
Att 15.25__________________44
Fam 7.21__________________44
Fam 7.22__________________44
Fam 11.29__________________44
Att 15.26__________________44
Att 15.27__________________44
Att 15.28__________________44
Att 16.16__________________44
Att 16.16a__________________44
Att 15.29__________________44
Att 16.1__________________44
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Fam 7.20__________________44
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Fam 7.19__________________44
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Att 16.16d__________________44
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Att 16.16f__________________44
Fam 11.3__________________44
Att 16.7__________________44
Fam 11.27__________________44
Fam 11.28__________________44
Fam 16.21__________________44
Fam 10.1__________________44
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Fam 12.2__________________44
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Fam 12.23__________________44
Fam 16.25__________________44
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Att 15.13a__________________44
Fam 11.4__________________44
Att 16.8__________________44
Att 16.9__________________44
Att 16.11__________________44
Att 16.12__________________44
Att 16.10__________________44
Att 16.13a__________________44
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Att 16.13c__________________44
Att 16.14__________________44
Fam 16.24__________________44
Att 16.15__________________44
Fam 10.4__________________44
Fam 11.5__________________44
Fam 10.5__________________44
Fam 11.7__________________44
Fam 11.6__________________44
Fam 11.22__________________44
Fam 16.26__________________44
Fam 16.27__________________44
Philippicae__________________44 (?)__________________political speech
Topica__________________44 (?)__________________rhetorical work
Cato Maior de Senectute__________________44 (?)__________________philosophical work
Laelius de Amicitia__________________44 (?)__________________philosophical work
De Officiis__________________44 (?)__________________philosophical work
Fam 11.8__________________43
Fam 12.24__________________43
Fam 12.4__________________43
Fam 10.28__________________43
Fam 9.24__________________43
Fam 12.5__________________43
Fam 12.11__________________43
Fam 12.7__________________43
Fam 10.31__________________43
Fam 12.25.1-5__________________43
Fam 10.6__________________43
Fam 10.27__________________43
Fam 12.28__________________43
Fam 12.26__________________43
Fam 12.27__________________43
Fam 12.29__________________43
Fam 10.7__________________43
Fam 10.8__________________43
Fam 10.10__________________43
Fam 12.6__________________43
Brut 2.1__________________43
Brut 2.3 = 5 & 3__________________43
Fam 10.12__________________43
Brut 2.2__________________43
Brut 2.4 = 4 & 6__________________43
Fam 10.30__________________43
Brut 2.5__________________43
Brut 1.2.3-6__________________43
Brut 1.3.1-3__________________43
Fam 10.9__________________43
Brut 1.3.4__________________43
Fam 11.9__________________43
Fam 10.11__________________43
Fam 11.13a__________________43
Brut 1.11__________________43
Fam 12.25.6-7__________________43
Brut 1.5__________________43
Fam 10.14__________________43
Fam 11.10__________________43
Fam 11.11__________________43
Fam 12.12__________________43
Brut 1.4.1-3__________________43
Fam 10.13__________________43
Fam 11.13.1-4__________________43
Fam 10.15__________________43
Fam 10.21.1-6__________________43
Fam 10.21.7__________________43
Fam 11.12__________________43
Brut 1.16__________________43
Brut 1.17__________________43
Brut 1.4.3-6__________________43
Brut 1.6__________________43
Brut 1.7__________________43
Fam 10.34.1-2__________________43
Fam 10.18__________________43
Fam 11.18__________________43
Fam 10.17__________________43
Brut 1.1__________________43
Brut 1.2.1-3__________________43
Fam 11.19__________________43
Fam 10.34.3-4__________________43
Fam 11.20__________________43
Fam 11.23__________________43
Fam 10.19__________________43
Fam 10.25__________________43
Fam 10.16__________________43
Fam 12.15.1-6__________________43
Fam 12.14__________________43
Fam 10.20__________________43
Fam 10.35__________________43
Fam 11.14__________________43
Brut 1.8__________________43
Fam 11.16__________________43
Fam 11.17__________________43
Fam 10.33__________________43
Fam 12.15.7__________________43
Fam 11.26__________________43
Fam 11.21__________________43
Fam 11.24__________________43
Fam 10.23__________________43
Fam 10.32__________________43
Brut 1.10__________________43
Fam 12.8__________________43
Fam 12.30__________________43
Fam 11.13.4-5__________________43
Fam 12.13__________________43
Brut 1.9__________________43
Fam 11.25__________________43
Fam 12.9__________________43
Fam 11.15__________________43
Fam 10.22__________________43
Fam 10.26__________________43
Brut 1.13__________________43
Brut 1.12__________________43
Fam 12.10__________________43
Fam 10.29__________________43
Fam 11.22__________________43
Brut 1.14__________________43
Brut 1.15__________________43
Brut 1.18__________________43
Fam 10.24__________________43
De Legibus__________________posthumous?__________________political work
De Consulatu Suo__________________?__________________poem
De temporibus suis__________________? [lost]__________________poem
 

Callaina

Feles Curiosissima
This is quite the list. Never fully realized how much Cicero wrote. :eek:
 

Dantius

Homo Sapiens
Staff member
Iáson, are all the letters included on your list? Or are there some that are just completely undatable?
 

Dantius

Homo Sapiens
Staff member
This is quite the list. Never fully realized how much Cicero wrote. :eek:
Pretty sure we have more surviving works from Cicero than from any other author.
Although he's not the most prolific – that might be Varro Reatinus, who may have written as many as 600 books (including 150 books of Menippean Satires, 76 of Logistorici, 25 De Lingua Latina, 41 of Antiquitates, etc., most of which have been lost :()
 

Pacifica

grammaticissima
Staff member
This discussion reminds me of Bede's "CV", which he wrote at the end of his Historia Ecclesiastica Gentis Anglorum and which I found rather impressive (though it comes nowhere near 600 books):
Haec de historia ecclesiastica Brittaniarum, et maxime gentis Anglorum, prout uel ex litteris antiquorum, uel ex traditione maiorum, uel ex mea ipse cognitione scire potui, Domino adiuuante digessi Baeda famulus Christi, et presbyter monasterii beatorum apostolorum Petri et Pauli, quod est ad Uiuraemuda, et Ingyruum.
Qui natus in territorio eiusdem monasterii, cum essem annorum septem, cura propinquorum datus sum educandus reuerentissimo abbati Benedicto, ac deinde Ceolfrido; cunctumque ex eo tempus uitae in eiusdem monasterii habitatione peragens, omnem meditandis scripturis operam dedi; atque inter obseruantiam disciplinae regularis, et cotidianam cantandi in ecclesia curam, semper aut discere, aut docere, aut scribere dulce habui.
Nono decimo autem uitae meae anno diaconatum, tricesimo gradum presbyteratus, utrumque per ministerium reuerentissimi episcopi Iohannis, iubente Ceolfrido abbate, suscepi.
Ex quo tempore accepti presbyteratus usque ad annum aetatis meae LVIIII, haec in scripturam sanctam meae meorumque necessitati ex opusculis uenerabilium patrum breuiter adnotare, siue etiam ad formam sensus et interpretationis eorum superadicere curaui:
‘In principium Genesis, usque ad natiuitatem Isaac et eiectionem Ismahelis, libros IIII.
De tabernaculo et uasis eius, ac uestibus sacerdotum, libros III.
In primam partem Samuelis, id est usque ad mortem Saulis, libros III.
De aedificatione templi, allegoricae expositionis, sicut et cetera, libros II.
Item, in Regum librum XXX quaestionum.
In Prouerbia Salomonis libros III.
In Cantica canticorum libros VII.
In Isaiam, Danihelem, XII prophetas, et partem Hieremiae, distinctiones capitulorum ex tractatu beati Hieronimi excerptas.
In Ezram et Neemiam libros III.
In Canticum Habacum librum I.
In librum beati patris Tobiae explanationis allegoricae de Christo et ecclesia librum I.
Item, Capitula lectionum in Pentateucum Mosi, Iosue, Iudicum;
In libros Regum et Uerba dierum;
In librum beati patris Iob;
In Parabolas, Ecclesiasten, et Cantica canticorum;
In Isaiam prophetam, Ezram quoque et Neemiam.
In euangelium Marci libros IIII.
In euangelium Lucae libros VI.
Omeliarum euangelii libros II.
In apostolum quaecumque in opusculis sancti Augustini exposita inueni, cuncta per ordinem transscribere curaui.
In Actus apostolorum libros II.
In Epistulas VII catholicas libros singulos.
In Apocalypsin sancti Iohannis libros III.
Item, Capitula lectionum in totum nouum testamentum, excepto euangelio.
Item librum epistularum ad diuersos: quarum de sex aetatibus saeculi una est; de mansionibus filiorum Israel una; una de eo, quod ait Isaias: ‘Et claudentur ibi in carcerem, et post dies multos uisitabantur;’ de ratione bissexti una; de aequinoctio iuxta Anatolium una.
Item de historiis sanctorum: librum uitae et passionis sancti Felicis confessoris de metrico Paulini opere in prosam transtuli; librum uitae et passionis sancti Anastasii, male de Greco translatum, et peius a quodam inperito emendatum, prout potui, ad sensum correxi; uitam sancti patris monachi simul et antistitis Cudbercti, et prius heroico metro et postmodum plano sermone, descripsi.
Historiam abbatum monasterii huius, in quo supernae pietati deseruire gaudeo, Benedicti, Ceolfridi, et Huaetbercti in libellis duobus.
Historiam ecclesiasticam nostrae insulae ac gentis in libris V.
Martyrologium de nataliciis sanctorum martyrum diebus; in quo omnes, quos inuenire potui, non solum qua die, uerum etiam quo genere certaminis, uel sub quo iudice mundum uicerint, diligenter adnotare studui.
Librum hymnorum diuerso metro siue rhythmo.
Librum epigrammatum heroico metro, siue elegiaco.
De natura rerum, et de temporibus libros singulos; item de temporibus librum I maiorem.
Librum de orthographia, alfabeti ordine distinctum.
Item librum de metrica arte, et huic adiectum alium de schematibus siue tropis libellum, hoc est de figuris modisque locutionum, quibus scriptura sancta contexta est.’
 

Iáson

Cívis Illústris
Iáson, are all the letters included on your list? Or are there some that are just completely undatable?
I'm not sure, but I think all of them. Certainly I put down everything that was in the list.
 
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