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The message seems to be that you can't put off wars by speeches.
But kicking against the pricks, as the phrase goes (wider den Stachel loecken, as in the German - that's the play on words in the German - loecken/lecken), does no good at all, and the poor oxen kicking but forced to plough on does seem to argue for using your tongue instead.
More and more (to be honest), this emblems book seems both badly written and unintelligent.
But kicking against the pricks, as the phrase goes (wider den Stachel loecken, as in the German - that's the play on words in the German - loecken/lecken), does no good at all, and the poor oxen kicking but forced to plough on does seem to argue for using your tongue instead.
More and more (to be honest), this emblems book seems both badly written and unintelligent.
A very difficult emblem...
Could you please help decipher the beginning of the commentary to this, very puzzling one:
Ne Hercules quidem contra duos. Saepe quidem in variis regionibus eversi sunt Reges; quibus expulsis, & per verae libertatis imperitiem, devotis, successit aut caecae popularitatis imperium, aut permissa proceribus potentia, id est, multiplex, pro unico quod expulerant, regnum.
It's not a certain Hercules against the two. Often in various regions there were Kings overthrown; driven out of there, & per verae libertatis imperitiem, devotis there followed either people's blind reign or the allowed authority of leaders, that is to say, mulptiple (for the one that they banished) governing (-ment).
Uff... any ideas?
Could you please help decipher the beginning of the commentary to this, very puzzling one:
Ne Hercules quidem contra duos. Saepe quidem in variis regionibus eversi sunt Reges; quibus expulsis, & per verae libertatis imperitiem, devotis, successit aut caecae popularitatis imperium, aut permissa proceribus potentia, id est, multiplex, pro unico quod expulerant, regnum.
It's not a certain Hercules against the two. Often in various regions there were Kings overthrown; driven out of there, & per verae libertatis imperitiem, devotis there followed either people's blind reign or the allowed authority of leaders, that is to say, mulptiple (for the one that they banished) governing (-ment).
Uff... any ideas?
Maybe something like this, wait for others though.
Not even Hercules against two. However in various regions the kings have been often overthrown; having those been expelled, and for inexperience of true freedom, execrated, followed a blind sovereignity of the population or the power left to the chiefs, that is, a multiple kingship for the one that they expelled.
Not even Hercules against two. However in various regions the kings have been often overthrown; having those been expelled, and for inexperience of true freedom, execrated, followed a blind sovereignity of the population or the power left to the chiefs, that is, a multiple kingship for the one that they expelled.
Oh
But wait for other opinions anyway.
Edit: maybe for "per" it's better "though", I am not sure.
Oh thanks.
But wait for other opinions anyway. Edit: maybe for "per" it's better "though", I am not sure.
Quidem is more like "certainly" than "however".
"Having those been expelled" looks weird, better "those having been expelled", or even better here I think "and after they were expelled".
Is Hercules the exclamation or are they really talking about Hercules? What text precedes this?
I am not sure either; per is more literal of course but I think either can work here.
Ah thanks, I don't know why but "certainly" sounded weird to me before.
Ah thank you!
Yes, it looks causal to me.
Oh and is there anything wrong with "population"?
Maybe it does. In fact I said "cartainly" to be short, but it's often damn difficult to find the best English word to translate quidem. Not sure what would fit best here.
I'm not sure, popularitas usually means popularity but also population in late Latin...
Oh I made an error anyway, I just noticed. In that case it would be "sovereignity of the blind population". I am not sure if it is popularity here or population. About quidem I think here "certainly" would fit better, but it is better if we see the previous text maybe.
Indeed!
Saepe quidem in variis regionibus eversi sunt Reges; quibus expulsis, & per verae libertatis imperitiam, devotis, successit aut caecae popularitatis imperium, aut permissa proceribus potentia, id est, multiplex, pro unico quod expulerant, regnum.
However in various regions the kings have been often overthrown; and when they were expelled, and cursed due to [people’s] ignorance of [what is] true freedom, there followed rule by a blind population or power surrendered to the nobles, that is, a multiple kingship for the one that they had expelled.
[better off to keep your king or you get rule by the rabble or aristocracy – many kings instead of one]
I will admit that the opening line in this context is a puzzle - even Hercules will not fight two. [is it that multiple kingship (aristocracy) is harder to defeat?]
However in various regions the kings have been often overthrown; and when they were expelled, and cursed due to [people’s] ignorance of [what is] true freedom, there followed rule by a blind population or power surrendered to the nobles, that is, a multiple kingship for the one that they had expelled.
[better off to keep your king or you get rule by the rabble or aristocracy – many kings instead of one]
I will admit that the opening line in this context is a puzzle - even Hercules will not fight two. [is it that multiple kingship (aristocracy) is harder to defeat?]
I believe it here means popular sentiment, the favor of the masses.
Yes, thinking about it, "blind" seems to suggest it. Even though in tha latin text it sounds somehow weird to me, maybe it is just me.