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The de facto language of Vatican City is Italian. An American friend who lived at the Vatican for a few years had to learn Italian for his job. I remember him telling me he would hear people speaking Latin from time to time.
I hope at least that the translator is basically competent. You never know these days...and finally translated into Latin.
Talk about adding insult to injury...The text on the automated bank machines is in Comic Sans.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21412604
This article seems to back up the idea that Italian is really the main language of the Vatican, with only around 100 people speaking Latin fluently. It also mentions how the Latin version is the standard version for history, as Terry mentioned.
I don't think I saw that article when it was posted before -- very interesting.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21412604
This article seems to back up the idea that Italian is really the main language of the Vatican, with only around 100 people speaking Latin fluently. It also mentions how the Latin version is the standard version for history, as Terry mentioned.
It also starts out with the great scoop on Pope Benedict's resignation an Italian journalist got because she spoke Latin. Other articles even mentioned how she had an argument with her editor because no other wire service was reporting the news (they were waiting for the translations).
This seems a rather odd criticism to make, or at least oddly phrased. It's certainly possible to have a preference for a particular word order for a given Latin sentence, even criticize someone's choice as being confusing or less than artful. But can one really, technically, mess up Latin word order? I mean, look what the poets did with it.And he does not think much of Benedict's tweets in Latin - "the last one was a real case of messing up Latin word order".
You can mess it up, yes, though clearly not in the same sense as you can mess up English word order.But can one really, technically, mess up Latin word order? I mean, look what the poets did with it.
This seems a rather odd criticism to make, or at least oddly phrased. It's certainly possible to have a preference for a particular word order for a given Latin sentence, even criticize someone's choice as being confusing or less than artful. But can one really, technically, mess up Latin word order? I mean, look what the poets did with it.
I confirm. You can mess up Latin word order in that some word orders in some situations look so un-Latin or unfit for the context that it hurts. You can even seriously mess up, because not everything is permitted, even in theory (e.g. you can't put non after the word it refers to; it has to come before). And I've seen students make really, really weird word-order mistakes; for example, I've seen one, when they had a sentence with two parts linked by et, stick the verbs of both parts together at the end of the whole thing (something of this kind; though, not remembering the sentence, I'm inventing one: "The father is ill and the mother cares for him" ---> pater aeger et mater eum est curat) — because, I guess, they were interpreting the "verb-at-the-end" thing in an extreme (and illogical) way, lol. Now, ok, the latter sort of error is probably not that common, but well. As for what poets did, it starts looking sort of ridiculous when one uses poetic word order in prose. Or that's my feeling at least. But whatever the case, Roman prose authors didn't do it, except for the occasional effect — but you'll hardly ever find something like (for example) in nova fert animus mutatas dicere formasYou can mess it up, yes, though clearly not in the same sense as you can mess up English word order.
It's a Frankenstein language, as Aurifex once said.Ok... so Latin is technically dead, but because people are still speaking it, it's technically alive?
So.... it's basically a zombie language? both dead and alive? huh....
LOL, it would never in a thousand years have occurred to me to do that.You can even seriously mess up, because not everything is permitted, even in theory (e.g. you can't put non after the word it refers to; it has to come before). And I've seen students make really, really weird word-order mistakes; for example, I've seen one, when they had a sentence with two parts linked by et, stick the verbs of both parts together at the end of the whole thing (something of this kind; though, not remembering the sentence, I'm inventing one: "The father is ill and the mother cares for him" ---> pater aeger et mater eum est curat) — because, I guess, they were interpreting the "verb-at-the-end" thing in an extreme (and illogical) way, lol.
To me neither... I'm regularly surprised by what weird ideas people can have, lol (though I suppose I myself can have weird ideas in my way).LOL, it would never in a thousand years have occurred to me to do that.
I'm pretty sure all of us here regularly have some pretty weird ideas, though not that sort of weird, generally.To me neither... I'm regularly surprised by what weird ideas people can have, lol (though I suppose I myself can have weird ideas in my way).