remember the fallen

Bitmap

Civis Illustris
Re: Need accurate translation

Cicera dixit:
Memento casūs.
no make sense

ERE dixit:
My Marine grandson, now in Afghanistan, needs to get an accurate translation from English to Latin for the phrase "remember the fallen"...this in regard to his now departed buddies...for a tattoo....could use your help.
an option could be memento occisorum
 

Imprecator

Civis Illustris
Re: Need accurate translation

Casus would refer to their downfalls, not the people themselves. Also, memini takes the genitive (so something like memento praeteritorum).
 

Cicera

New Member
Re: Need accurate translation

Actually, I was using the noun form of the adjective, in which case, it should be "memento casos," if we were using "casus," meaning "fallen." Sorry. Thought it was a fourth declension, for some random reason.
 

Nikolaos

schmikolaos
Staff member
Re: Need accurate translation

Imprecator dixit:
Please, that isn't necessary.

Cicera - You're probably thinking of casus, ī as the passive-perfect participle of cadō, ere. However, that particular verb doesn't have a PPP, and as such that word doesn't exist. Also, as Imprecator said, mementō takes the genitive, not the accusative.
 

Bitmap

Civis Illustris
meminisse may also be constructed with the accusative. It's just that casus, -us means fall rather than fallen
 

scrabulista

Consul
Staff member
Nick,

I get cado, cadere, cecidi, casus. The 4th part has limited use then, or would it mean something like "the one having been fallen?"
 

Bitmap

Civis Illustris
did you get that from that crap programme called WORDS?
 

scrabulista

Consul
Staff member
Yeah, it's no good?

I see L&S have casurus. I assume that's future active, and *casus doesn't exist?
 

Bitmap

Civis Illustris
scrabulista dixit:
Yeah, it's no good?
isn't that obvious?

I see L&S have casurus. I assume that's future active, and *casus doesn't exist?
The PPP *casus would not make much sense since you can't really put "to fall" into the passive. Active forms like the PFA that are derived from the PPP exist, though.
 

Decimus Canus

Civis Illustris
scrabulista dixit:
Yeah, it's no good?

I see L&S have casurus. I assume that's future active, and *casus doesn't exist?
The verb is intransitive so doesn't have a passive. It would be like saying in English "those having been falled". The OLD gives the 4th principal part as c[a-long:1lg6yuet][/a-long:1lg6yuet]sum but this is the supine of course, not the perfect participle passive.

I think Bitmap is a bit harsh on Words. It's an extremely useful program but can sometimes be misleading and has to be used with caution.
 

Nikolaos

schmikolaos
Staff member
I think that WORDS should always be used with a dictionary - using both together usually works for me.
 

Decimus Canus

Civis Illustris
WORDS is a dictionary. I think you mean it should be used in conjunction with a second, more authoritative dictionary. But, yes, I agree with you.
 
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