The Art Thread

[Agrippa]

Jules Coignet: Paestum (1860)

 

[Agrippa]

Antonello da Messina: Saint Jerome in his Study (1475)

 

[Adrian]

Canaletto, Riva degli Schiavoni: Looking East (1730)

 

[EstQuodFulmineIungo]

Remnants of Catullus's Villa on a wintry, foggy day
"Grotte di Catullo, Garda Lake, Sirmione"
Garda Lake=Benācus
Sirmione= Sirmio

Spoiler: More pictures

The Villa was built near a thermal spring (that explains the colour of the water).

Below this spot, if memor serves, there was his own Tepidarium.

Catullus comes back from a travel in Anatolia (Bithynia and Thynia) , where he accompanied Gaius Memmius (a praetor).

1.Paeninsularum, Sirmio, insularumque
2.Ocelle, quascumque in liquentibus stagnis
3.Marique vasto fert uterque Neptunus
4.Quam te libenter quamque laetus invīso
5.Vix mi ipse credens Thuniam atque Bithūnos
6.Liquisse campos et videre te in tuto.
7.O quid solutis est beatius curis,
8.Cum mens onus reponit, ac peregrino
9.Labore fessi vēnĭmus larem ad nostrum
10.Desideratoque acquiescĭmus lecto.
11.Hoc est, quod unumust pro laboribus tantis
12.Salve, o venusta Sirmio, atque hero gaude:
13.Gaudete vosque, O Lydiae lacūs undae:
14.Ridete, quidquid est domi cachinnorum

Not an easy poem, there are several figures of speech:

5-6. Thuniam atque Bithunos... campos: accusative case, related to liquisse (linquo= relinquo, definitely not from liqueo)

9. larem ad nostrum = ad nostrum larem "At our home". Metonymy. Lar, Laris and Lares, Larium. Laries were were home deities and denote the house itself in this case.

13. O Lydiae undae: Enallage. He calles "Lydiae" the waters of the lake because on its shore Etrurians established themselves. Etrurians were believed to be of anatolian origin.

 

[Agrippa]

Grotta della Sibilla cumana

Excisum Euboicae latus ingens rupis in antrum,
quo lati ducunt aditus centum, ostia centum,
unde ruunt totidem voces, responsa Sibyllae.
Verg. Aen. 6, 42-44.

 

[Agrippa]

US Capitol Washington 1825

 

[Adrian]

Michelangelo, Tomb of Giuliano de’ Medici (Florence, San Lorenzo, New Sacristy)
allegory of night (left) and day (right)

@Hemo Rusticus @Laurentius @Agrippa

Caro m’è ’l sonno, e più l’esser di sasso,
mentre che ’l danno e la vergogna dura;
non veder, non sentir m’è gran ventura;
però non mi destar, deh, parla basso.

 

[Tironis]

Michelangelo, Tomb of Giuliano de’ Medici (Florence, San Lorenzo, New Sacristy)
allegory of night (left) and day (right)

@Hemo Rusticus @Laurentius @Agrippa

Caro m’è ’l sonno, e più l’esser di sasso,
mentre che ’l danno e la vergogna dura;
non veder, non sentir m’è gran ventura;
però non mi destar, deh, parla basso.

Those boobs don't look very convincing. And neither do these:

 

[Adrian]

Those boobs don't look very convincing. And neither do these:
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In both cases those female bodies look ver much manly-athletic alike My guess is that gender swap was a last minute decision.... or perhaps
as @Terry S. once said

Those were the days when men were men and so were the women.

 

[Hemo Rusticus]

It's interesting, I've seen those statues many times, but I never really paid attention to how muscular are the features (& broad the breasts). I guess Aurora's thighs are feminine.

 

[Hemo Rusticus]

I also don't really understand her breastband. Was it normally worn higher?

 

[EstQuodFulmineIungo]

The boobs didn't get along well, so they drifted apart.

 

[Adrian]

The boobs didn't get along well, so they drifted apart.

The boobs look so unnatural that it qualifies as mammaplasty fail.

 

[Hawkwood]

It's idealism. I think this style held sway until the emergence of realism and artists like Caravaggio.

 

[EstQuodFulmineIungo]

I don't rule out the possibility my boobs shape database lacks some singular entries:

Ludovisi Throne

 

[Hawkwood]

Regarding idealism and high renaissance, have a look at mannerism. The long Necks and The Pin Heads.

Edit: tbh the terminology and concepts become a little confusing to me as these styles tend to overlap and sometimes contradict.

 

[Hawkwood]

It's idealism. I think this style held sway until the emergence of realism and artists like Caravaggio.

But Caravaggio did distort proportions although he wasn't trying to from what I've read. Which means they're mistakes? Dunno.

He constructed a looking tunnel using a mirror and various things, so maybe his suspect proportions that crop up from time to time are because of this.

 

[Tironis]

It's idealism. I think this style held sway until the emergence of realism and artists like Caravaggio.

I think it's safe to assume Michelangelo's ideal was the male rather than the female form.

Michelangelo's contemporaries Leonardo da Vinci, Sandro Botticelli, Benvenuto Cellini and Giovanni Antonio Bazzi (Il Sodoma) were publicly charged with sodomy (Leonardo was even imprisoned for two months), and Michelangelo, like them, was offered sexual "services" by the ragazzi or street boys who worked as apprentices in the art studios. (Rictor Norton, "Michelangelo and the label "Homosexual")

 

[Hawkwood]

I think it's safe to assume Michelangelo's ideal was the male rather than the female form.

Michelangelo's contemporaries Leonardo da Vinci, Sandro Botticelli, Benvenuto Cellini and Giovanni Antonio Bazzi (Il Sodoma) were publicly charged with sodomy (Leonardo was even imprisoned for two months), and Michelangelo, like them, was offered sexual "services" by the ragazzi or street boys who worked as apprentices in the art studios. (Rictor Norton, "Michelangelo and the label "Homosexual")

Interesting, a fair few there I'm still not familiar with. But on form, I'll take one of Rubens' lovely lumps of femininity over those chiselled babes, all day long.

 

[Hawkwood]

I was just reading that Michelangelo was that concerned with idealism and the concept of beauty that he refused to paint portraits.