Nooj dixit:plaudere ['plaudere]
plodere ['plo:dere]
Plaudere is a hypercorrection by the elites, since they noticed that the diphthong au was pronounced by some lower class denizens as o. But plodere must have been the original pronounciation, because it exists in explodere.
The au diphtong must have been kept in some regions, since some Romance languages show traces of it:Nikolaos dixit:While reading on Old Latin, this reminded me of this post. Thoughts?
Nooj dixit:plaudere ['plaudere]
plodere ['plo:dere]
Plaudere is a hypercorrection by the elites, since they noticed that the diphthong au was pronounced by some lower class denizens as o. But plodere must have been the original pronounciation, because it exists in explodere.
Hello, I'm also from Romania, and I can confirm that we do speak very fast. Reff. to the video, probably because of all the critics here D) the guy removed it from youtube, so I couldn't see what you were talking about...still, I have read some material about rethorics, and it is true that oratory speech had some specific rules, among which were pauses at some points, specific gestures, position of the hands...etc.This is a great thread, because I've got a complaint about Latin that I have as well.
Having lived in Italy for almost a year, and having grown up around a good amount of Spanish speakers, I've come to notice that speakers of Romance languages speak very quickly. (In fact, I've had 2 Romanians tell me Romanians speak faster than the other Romance speakers). Why is it, then, that most of the videos or soundfiles of spoken Latin that are out there on the internet have Latin being spoken very slowly? There are some exceptions, of course. But it seems the focus of spoken Latin is maintaining correct vowel length over rapidity of speech. After living in Rome for about 10 months, I can't stand but to get a little irritated at the slow pace at which Latin is read/spoken, because all of its surviving descendants' speakers speak fast as heck. Perhaps I'm just ranting a little bit, but does anyone agree?
This is what kinda set me off a little bit:. I can just imagine Ovid reading it like that with his eyes closed and opening them at the end to find all in his audience are sleeping like logs. It's true that we can't jump into a time machine and go find out how Latin was actually pronounced in everyday speech, or the way it was read at a poetry reading, but to ignore that all its descendants are spoken at a rapid pace is quite ridiculous.
Does anyone have any opinions about this?
I can't vouch for how good they are, but there are some here.Does anyone know of good recordings of Tacitus' Annals? I'm slowly working my way through them them, and to hear them well read would be wonderful.
Ah, thanks for these, and I guess I should have said, but I meant Tacitus in Latin.
Very sorry. Are these not in Latin? I didn't check. The Librivox recordings of Cicero and Vergil I listened to were in Latin.Ah, thanks for these, and I guess I should have said, but I meant Tacitus in Latin.
This is not Tacitus but if you want to listen to some audio books, here are some:
http://www.vivariumnovum.it/edizioni/index.php/Multimedia/Audiolibri.html
EDIT: Look at the last too books
I've never liked the ecclesiastical pronunciation either.Thanks for these. I have listened to a little bit of it (and will listen to more) and I notice that he does the Italian thing of C before I and E becoming "ch", while C before A, O, and U becomes "k". I like this, and since I speak a bit of Italian, this seems to me a natural way to do it, and pleasant on the ear, but I remember in a Latin translation group here (in Ireland), when I used to do this, one of the more senior members used to roll his eyes and almost moan in horror.
I remember in a Latin translation group here (in Ireland), when I used to do this, one of the more senior members used to roll his eyes and almost moan in horror.
This is not Tacitus but if you want to listen to some audio books, here are some:
http://www.vivariumnovum.it/edizioni/index.php/Multimedia/Audiolibri.html
EDIT: Look at the last too books