Throw me to the wolves and I'll return leading the pack
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I personally like agrippa's first proposal:
unless you are not completelly satisfied with turba, you could consider agmen... agmen luporum (wolfpack).
[Exponite me ad lupos / Medio in luporum abreptus], [agmen ducens / dux agminis / alpha mas] redibo.
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truba luporum is attested
Silius Italicus
atque impasta trucis ululatus turba luporum
Silius Italicus
atque impasta trucis ululatus turba luporum
Latin is not the same as English.
pack in English can mean a group of matches or cards—this doesn't preclude it being used for wolves.
turba luporum is used in Silius Italicus. I can find no instance of agmen being used to mean a pack of wolves.
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Yes I like that one as well but it's mostly the same kind of expression. I would rather a literal translation of this phrase...
Well, replace, if you like, "turbam" by "agmen" and write
"Conicite me ad lupos, agmen ducens redibo" (nearly consensus of opinion; nevertheless at your own risk).
You should come to a final decision.
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Except for the simplest of words, a word in one language generally does not have a one-to-one correspondence with a word in another language.
Here's Lewis and Short's definition for turba (edited):
I.a turmoil, hubbub, uproar, disorder, tumult, commotion, disturbance, of a crowd of people (syn. tumultus):
II. Transf.
A. In gen., for a disturbance made by a few or a single person, a brawl, confusion, disturbance, quarrel (in good prose rare):
B. Concr., a crowd, throng, multitude, mob; a band, train, troop, etc.
1. Of persons
2. Without the notion of a crowd or confusion, a great number, multitude:
3. Of other things, animate or inanimate, a crowd, throng, troop, multitude, number:
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Now here's their definition for agmen:
I. Lit.
A. In gen., a train, i. e. a collected multitude in motion or moving forwards; of things of any kind, but esp. (so most freq. in prose) of men or animals.
B. The train, procession, march, progress of an army:
II. Transf., concr., an army, and properly considered as in motion, on the march
B. Trop.
1. An army, troop, band, multitude:
2. March, movement
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What do you see as the difference between "crowd" and "pack?"
Godmy's response avoids the issue of agmen/turba altogether:
"thrown to the wolves, I will return their leader"
It's not too much different from
Si me dederis ad lupos, dux eorum revertar = more or less literally, "If you throw me to the wolves, I will return as their leader."
projectus = "thrown," dederis is actually "give"
It's not too much different from
Si me dederis ad lupos, dux eorum revertar = more or less literally, "If you throw me to the wolves, I will return as their leader."
projectus = "thrown," dederis is actually "give"
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I really like that one : Lupīs prōjectus, eōrum redībō dux!
Is the spelling correct? It's for a tattoo so I really need to be sure of it
Thank you
So if I'm right we could also say : "Si me projectus ad lupos, dux eorum revertar" ?
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No.
Si me projeceris ad lupos, dux eorum revertar
thank you
I think that's the most literal translation, isn't it?
(The whole thing now looks like a never-ending story.) - you're rightNo, it isn't. "Throw me..." is imperative.In Latin: Obicite or Conicete me...
(The whole thing now looks like a never-ending story.)
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So can we say "Conicite me ad lupos, dux eorum revertar" ?
Can we say it's final?