Tu mihi sola places
- Thread starter Rocit
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I'm sorry to see you've misread my intentions; I was just trying to save you from unnecessary labour on the understanding that this was for a PhD in emblematics; and you did indicate very strongly in your opening post that that was the case.
As for the fine classic education, no-one gets that anywhere unless they get it by their own endeavours. Obtaining a knowledge of Latin and Greek, far from being the preserve of an elite, is one of the most egalitarian things you can do. All you need is time, patience and the requisite enthusiasm; it scarcely needs to cost you anything.
As some have said above, I think you will find that most of us taught ourselves.
I can think of at leaſt one of us who ſat through Greek at university and managed to forget moſt of it.
This emblem's also got a very syntactically complex commentary: could you just check where I did mistake?
- In recensendis mortalium affectibus, praeter fas ac humanitatem foret, amoris oblivisci, qui in omnium animis, nisi prorsus barbaris, regnans, tamen quosdam vehementius suis imbuit curis, sibique propius addicit.
- Considering the feelings or mortal beings, it's not allowed and contrary to human nature to forget love, which, reigning in all hearts, except barbarous ones, still does feed some people with its passion and makes them closer.
- Est autem blanda, & irrequieta cupiditas, iis ipsis placendi, qui nobis sive forte, sive sua virtute, sive nostro denique errore placuerunt.
- But there's also a tender and restless attraction, that they (i.e. our loves) like, whom we like either by chance, or by the virtue, or by an error.
- Et is quidem, velit insidiis, ita irrepit, ut nos ante sentiamus amare, quam instituamus de amando consilium.
- And still love thus creeps, as if from an ambush, that we could first taste love than to make a consilium on it.
- Neque arduum in ipsis initiis esset excutere tantum pondus, nisi sensim, neque sine suavitate incumbens, ita eos ipsos suis lenociniis caperet, quos affligit, praesertim inexpertos, ut putent in humanum facinus fore, sibique omnino incommodum, si influentis mali dulcedinem a se ausint severo imperio arcere.
- Also the difficulties in the very beginning can't shake the (lovers') firmness, or just a bit; and not without pleasure they are afflicted by it, to such a degree love has captured them with its embellishments, especially unexperienced ones, that
now they would think (every) human deed is a door to absolute failures, if they were badly influenced by charms (and) dared to restrain from severe orders.
The text in bold is a special difficulty for me here. Would be grateful for any help!
- In recensendis mortalium affectibus, praeter fas ac humanitatem foret, amoris oblivisci, qui in omnium animis, nisi prorsus barbaris, regnans, tamen quosdam vehementius suis imbuit curis, sibique propius addicit.
- Considering the feelings or mortal beings, it's not allowed and contrary to human nature to forget love, which, reigning in all hearts, except barbarous ones, still does feed some people with its passion and makes them closer.
- Est autem blanda, & irrequieta cupiditas, iis ipsis placendi, qui nobis sive forte, sive sua virtute, sive nostro denique errore placuerunt.
- But there's also a tender and restless attraction, that they (i.e. our loves) like, whom we like either by chance, or by the virtue, or by an error.
- Et is quidem, velit insidiis, ita irrepit, ut nos ante sentiamus amare, quam instituamus de amando consilium.
- And still love thus creeps, as if from an ambush, that we could first taste love than to make a consilium on it.
- Neque arduum in ipsis initiis esset excutere tantum pondus, nisi sensim, neque sine suavitate incumbens, ita eos ipsos suis lenociniis caperet, quos affligit, praesertim inexpertos, ut putent in humanum facinus fore, sibique omnino incommodum, si influentis mali dulcedinem a se ausint severo imperio arcere.
- Also the difficulties in the very beginning can't shake the (lovers') firmness, or just a bit; and not without pleasure they are afflicted by it, to such a degree love has captured them with its embellishments, especially unexperienced ones, that
now they would think (every) human deed is a door to absolute failures, if they were badly influenced by charms (and) dared to restrain from severe orders.
The text in bold is a special difficulty for me here. Would be grateful for any help!
One part at least:
Est autem blanda, & irrequieta cupiditas, iis ipsis placendi, qui nobis sive forte, sive sua virtute, sive nostro denique errore placuerunt.
- But there's also a tender and restless desire, to please [of pleasing] those whom we like either by chance, or by their virtue, or by our delusion.
Est autem blanda, & irrequieta cupiditas, iis ipsis placendi, qui nobis sive forte, sive sua virtute, sive nostro denique errore placuerunt.
- But there's also a tender and restless desire, to please [of pleasing] those whom we like either by chance, or by their virtue, or by our delusion.
The first sentence has already been translated correctly by Aurifex:
And it would not be difficult to shake off so great a burden at the very start, if it didn't little by little, and (while it is) weighing not without sweetness, capture with its allurements the very people whom it afflicts, especially the unexperienced ones, in such a manner that they think it would be an inhuman deed, and throroughly disadvantageous for themselves, if they dared to repulse the sweetness of the penetrating evil away from themselves with severe authority.
I confirm, except there's no "also". It could also be "but the desire to please those... is charming and restless".
And it assuredly so creeps in, as if from an ambush, that we can feel we are loving before we take a decision about loving.
I think in humanum should be one word, inhumanum, right?
And it would not be difficult to shake off so great a burden at the very start, if it didn't little by little, and (while it is) weighing not without sweetness, capture with its allurements the very people whom it afflicts, especially the unexperienced ones, in such a manner that they think it would be an inhuman deed, and throroughly disadvantageous for themselves, if they dared to repulse the sweetness of the penetrating evil away from themselves with severe authority.