video: RCP & EP
- Thread starter Terry S.
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I watched it up to 10 minutes or so, but I am not convinced by some of the things he says. For example he says that "homo" in the 4-5th century was pronounced "uomo", as in modern Italian. However then why would Augustine write in his Confessions:
"vide, domine deus, et patienter, ut vides, vide quomodo diligenter observent filii hominum pacta litterarum et syllabarum accepta a prioribus locutoribus, et a te accepta aeterna pacta perpetuae salutis neglegant, ut qui illa sonorum vetera placita teneat aut doceat, si contra disciplinam grammaticam sine adspiratione primae syllabae hominem dixerit, magis displiceat hominibus quam si contra tua praecepta hominem oderit, cum sit homo." (I.18.29)
From which it looks like the "vulgar" pronunciation at the time involved dropping the h, rather than saying "uomo". In addition, Augustine's remark indicates that this was frowned upon, rather than being the regular pronunciation. I wonder if ScorpioMartianus gives some sources about his conclusions later in the video, or if he is just "interpolating" between Latin and Italian.
"vide, domine deus, et patienter, ut vides, vide quomodo diligenter observent filii hominum pacta litterarum et syllabarum accepta a prioribus locutoribus, et a te accepta aeterna pacta perpetuae salutis neglegant, ut qui illa sonorum vetera placita teneat aut doceat, si contra disciplinam grammaticam sine adspiratione primae syllabae hominem dixerit, magis displiceat hominibus quam si contra tua praecepta hominem oderit, cum sit homo." (I.18.29)
From which it looks like the "vulgar" pronunciation at the time involved dropping the h, rather than saying "uomo". In addition, Augustine's remark indicates that this was frowned upon, rather than being the regular pronunciation. I wonder if ScorpioMartianus gives some sources about his conclusions later in the video, or if he is just "interpolating" between Latin and Italian.
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Etaoin Shrdlu
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See also the Ars Breviata:
Barbarismus quo singula ipsa uerba Latina non sunt. Nam si quis dicat “hominem”, retracta aspiratione, barbarismum facit; aut “coronam” addita aspiratione, peccat; aut “luctat” detracta syllaba, scilicet peccabit; aut “potestur” pro “potest” addita syllaba, Latinum non est; aut si dicat “pone” et primam syllabam corripiat detractione temporis, barbarismus est; aut si dicat “bonus” et primam syllabam producat adiectione temporis, uitium est; aut si enuntiet nomen et nullam in eo acuat syllabam, acuminis detractione peccat. Si autem duas acuat syllabas in una parte orationis, adiectione acuminis offendit auditum. Si dicat “uulla” pro “uilla”, commutatione litterae; Si dicat “displicina” pro “disciplina”, transmutatione syllabae in uitio est, quia detractione et adiectione commutatione et transmutatione aut aspirationis aut litterae aut syllabae aut accentuum aut temporum fit barbarismus.
Barbarismus quo singula ipsa uerba Latina non sunt. Nam si quis dicat “hominem”, retracta aspiratione, barbarismum facit; aut “coronam” addita aspiratione, peccat; aut “luctat” detracta syllaba, scilicet peccabit; aut “potestur” pro “potest” addita syllaba, Latinum non est; aut si dicat “pone” et primam syllabam corripiat detractione temporis, barbarismus est; aut si dicat “bonus” et primam syllabam producat adiectione temporis, uitium est; aut si enuntiet nomen et nullam in eo acuat syllabam, acuminis detractione peccat. Si autem duas acuat syllabas in una parte orationis, adiectione acuminis offendit auditum. Si dicat “uulla” pro “uilla”, commutatione litterae; Si dicat “displicina” pro “disciplina”, transmutatione syllabae in uitio est, quia detractione et adiectione commutatione et transmutatione aut aspirationis aut litterae aut syllabae aut accentuum aut temporum fit barbarismus.
Immo uero Latinum priscum est.