Improving my oral French

Pacifica

grammaticissima
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And Germany would have a second Austria in the German-speaking part of Belgium?
 

Pacifica

grammaticissima
Staff member
Yeah, right, the lips are rounded — just less than for eux, or maybe just differently... the lips protrude less.
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Issacus Divus

H₃rḗǵs h₁n̥dʰéri diwsú
Flemish groups are pretty much Dutch.
 

Pacifica

grammaticissima
Staff member
What Flemish groups?
 

Issacus Divus

H₃rḗǵs h₁n̥dʰéri diwsú
Like the groups in Belgium.
 

Pacifica

grammaticissima
Staff member
But what do you call a "group"?
 

Issacus Divus

H₃rḗǵs h₁n̥dʰéri diwsú
An ethnic group.
 

Pacifica

grammaticissima
Staff member
Are there several ethnic groups among the Flemish?

Well, yeah, obviously some Flemish are immigrants or children of immigrants.
 

Issacus Divus

H₃rḗǵs h₁n̥dʰéri diwsú
There is a diaspora in which some have mixed with other ethnic groups. I didn’t mean that there were many among them, although that’s not wrong either.
 

Issacus Divus

H₃rḗǵs h₁n̥dʰéri diwsú
Ok, thanks for sharing that.
 

Bitmap

Civis Illustris
I think the mouth opening is the main difference (and the lip position just a side effect).
 

Issacus Divus

H₃rḗǵs h₁n̥dʰéri diwsú
It's really the second one that's the best.
 

Pacifica

grammaticissima
Staff member
:kisscheek:
 

Issacus Divus

H₃rḗǵs h₁n̥dʰéri diwsú
:redface:
 

Callaina

Feles Curiosissima
Theoretically, it should be a rounded-lip sound as well.
As I have written above, the sound in eux, /ø/ (German ö) should be an é, /e/ (as in passé or like the German e in Leere) with rounded lips.
The sound in orgueil, /œ/, should be an è, /ɛ/ (as in crème or like the German long ä in Ähre) with rounded lips... well, I'm not French (and neither are you :D ... but you seem to know the language quite well), but maybe you can try it: the difference between è and /œ/ should really just mainly be the position of your lips.
Hmmm...I'm trying this now but it doesn't sound like @Pacifica's yet. :( Here, I'll post another audio file:
 

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Pacifica

grammaticissima
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That actually sounds like u (the French one) to me.
 

Adrian

Civis Illustris
Callaina,
just adding my two cent; good solution to improve one's proficiency in pronunciation and speaking would definitely be an audio course or complete set (Like Sans Peine series)
at the moment I am also trying to catch-up with french language.
I am using
1) audio course (learn in your car French)
2) Cherel A. - Assimil - French without Toil - 1940 (with audio recodrings)
 

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