Latin Reading Club (7) - Catullus, Carmina 85

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This famous couplet forms a single poem in Catullus' collection

Odi et amo. Quare id faciam, fortasse requiris?
.....Nescio, sed fieri sentio et excrucior.

With the holiday weekend coming up, here's an easy one. The epigram is so familiar and the Latin relatively easy (Odi - "hate" is the only tricky part; this is a defective verb like coepi - "begin", where past-tense forms are used for present tense), that a link to translations and such seems superfluous.

Still, there is a lot going on in this couplet, and certainly the first three words have evoked enough of a response through the ages that they've become almost proverbial for the trials of love. I'm not saying it needs a book to analyze it (although I bet a few have been written), but it's certainly not a throwaway. Habete Ludum
 

Iynx

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Egomet autem non fieri sentio, amici. Mulieres certe amabam, et mulieres-- absolvat me Deus-- in odium habebam. Sed numquam amabam muleriem solam, et eadem simul in odium habebam.

Hos adfectus Catulli ergo intellegere possum, quam uberibus alendum intellego, etsi adfectum vere nescio.
 

Cato

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Fortunatus es, Iynx; De Lesbia, Catullus mulierem pessimam delexit (quae multos amores habuit). Similis multis juventibus, Catullus nimium cor suum secutus est, ergo tam odium quam amorem effusit.

Nota: Ordine reverso, versus secundus tres res in primo verso respondet. Est odium quod excruciat, amor qui sentitur, et "nescio" responsum pro quaestione "Quare id faciam?" Estne pulcher chiasmus?
 

Iynx

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Fortunatus enim sum.

Et (ut ais) chiasmus pulcher est. Sed nonne aeque otium etiam ac amor sentitur?

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Unum verborum tuorum mihi enigma est: delexit. Esne eius significatio illa de delegit?
 

Cato

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Iynx dixit:
Unum verborum tuorum mihi enigma est: delexit. Esne eius significatio illa de delegit?
Confudi verba "delego (delegi)" et "diligo (dilexi)"; Utinam "dilexit" scripsissem.
 

Iynx

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Attat, dilexit. Sententio difficilior est, quia alterutrum verbum hic verisimilis sit.

Confundi autem in praeteritum deligo, -igere, -egi, -ectum et deligo, -are, -avi, -atum. (OK, in praeteritum recens).

Gratias tibi ago, pro explanatione.
 
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